A: Hi Bob!
B: Hey Alice, how are you doing? Oh nice hair you got today.
A: Oh, thanks.. so, you just like them? You are not zapping me for them? You are so FIAT Bob.
So basically we passed from a culture of EGO builders with 👍🏼 on Facebook, to another one where you build your EGO since you give "value" while others are only appreciating something without giving money to it. pendulum shifting so hard.
Let me ask..
1) Do you zap every note you would like 2 years ago or you are limitating your engagement because you settled a higher standard?
2) Let's say Alice zap 21 sats as minimum, and Bob zap 100 sats as minimum.. but Alice got in bitcoin just recently and have a stack of less than 0.1 btc, while Bob is in since 2013 and his stack is 100+ BTC.. who is giving more value, putting more on the line, and giving more?
3) Alice follows 2000+ users, and zaps an avarage of 100 notes a day, from just GM to long form posts.
Bob follows 100 people and zaps less than 5 notes a day but 10 times Alice amount. Who is giving more "value" and making sats flow creating a bigger net of connections and engagement..
4) #Nostr is a fucking niche still, even smaller than Bitcoin, and trying to force onlyzaps to new users that doesn't know anything about it, and don't have anyone that follow and actively engage with them, you want to also take from them an easy way of communication, because Reactions, not just LIKES, ARE A WAY OF COMMUNICATING A MESSAGE.
REACTIONS ARE NOT LIKES, FOR FUCK SAKE!
#growNostr
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Thinking out loud here: I'd say reactions are just another form of a reply, like a text but short and sweet and supposed to be fun.
Zaps are a nice addition but since it's based on scarcity may influence people to treat it more as a store of value, and hence any tipping would be more valuable.
That said, zaps are a good way to support someone you support, like an artist, writer, etc. Good to keep in mind that these relationships form over time. Does that lead to zap fatigue, where you support at first but then stop? Or the creator is at the whims of changing interests and is more precarious and vulnerable to serve the interests of what gets more zaps versus what art or build projects they want to practice that may not be as popular?
All interesting questions.
I completely agree with you on all the lines.
What pisses me off is people standing on a podium because they are convinced are doing better a d giving more than others.
You want to #onlyzaps, great for you, but the moment you start saying that reactions in general are stupid, and should not be at all, asking devs to take them off.. GFY!
Well said 👏
Yeah it'd be strange because people would also just resort to doing simple emoticon text replies... Then you can't have people vote on reactions.
Its like when youtube dislike stats was removed... Why
I want my given right to ratio posts, damn it 🤣
Indeed! What those people don't get is also that, as I said..
REACTIONS ARE NOT JUST A "👍🏼" (I mean they are on #primal and I always call them out on that).
REACTIONS CAN BE "NEGATIVE".. IS THERE A NEGATIVE #ZAP BUTTON?
Thanks Filou, I appreciate 🫂🤙🏼
We love, like, and zap the weirdsters 😂🫂💜
#weirdstr
Another thing, I'm not a fan of crap social media but there's a reason why discord etc allows message reactions, why signal included reactions, etc. Because it's popular way of replying and communicating.
Keep zaps and its just all transactional and people will just stop using it. However I also think zaps are a GREAT feature and should be made easier to use.
Nostr is beautiful because it evolves with what the plebs want. I’m excited to see where it will go but we have to let it be free 🪽
#zaps are one of the biggest innovation #nostr brought to internet, that's out of question. They are already revolutioning behaviours, X monetization came because of that, I am sure, and also sure Rumble will implement something similar to #zap, and that YouTube will follow to not lose content creators.. domino effect.
Pura Vida 🤙🏼🍀🫂
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Like is the most primitive reaction, it's not about ego culture. #zap is really good idea for monetization. Want such thing for #github , for instance.
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Sir.. did you read everything I wrote and the thread itself?
I don't thinks so reading your reply.
@1684 I elaborated my thought, please take a look deeper.
REACTION are not LIKES, that's wrong and binary thinking.
IntuitiveGuy☯️
#zaps are one of the biggest innovation #nostr brought to internet, that's out of question. They are already revolutioning behaviours, X monetization came because of that, I am sure, and also sure Rumble will implement something similar to #zap, and that YouTube will follow to not lose content creators.. domino effect.
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I think the we should set the bar and social norms that we as a community want, not what we think will get people on-boarded.
This is the same mind set that in the US we should print signs and papers in every language so immigrants can on-board to the US. Not saying it’s right or wrong but just stating a fact that the “unofficial”language of the US is English. If you want to be successful here, you kind of need to learn it.
If you want to be successful on #Nostr, the language here is #zaps. Let’s not change to accommodate normies. Let’s help them learn. Let’s show them the way. That’s why on #introductions everyone welcomes noobs with zaps. ⚡️
Likes are worthless. Zaps have actual value. It doesn’t matter if it is 1 sat or a 1,000,000. That is up to the individual to determine what they can, want, should give. The future needs to be an exchange of real value
End of the day zaps should be and are the language here. (Rant Over) 🫡
Side note: love this post as this is the dialogue we need to work out who we want to be as a community.
again.. REACTIONS ARE NOT JUST LIKES. This is just binary thinking.
did you just zapped zourself?
#YESTR
zapsturbation
What we are seeing is the beginning of the collapse of the advertising model.
When TikTok threatened to shut down, 'influencers' were guests on tv news programs talking about how they made a living on social media using contracts with brands, advertising revenue and whatever schemes and tricks they could come up with to have money come in. Lying was on the table, cheating was necessary and encouraged, stealing other people's sponsorship deals was all part of the game. But actual work? Meh, that's so 20th century. I'm in chats on X where it's all the tricks and sneaky ways to get 'impressions' so they can trigger a bigger check from the monetization formula. I find it amusing to watch, but it's like watching an episode of Idiocracy.
Proof of Work means more than just the miners. It needs to be the core mantra of our civilization if it is going to thrive. People do want to work, and they want that work to be meaningful and appreciated. So when I see a post or a comment that shows that someone has done work that I appreciate, that's when the lightning bolt comes out. Even just 21 sats is meaningful today, regardless of how much that might be worth some day in the future.
Nostr and Zaps work on the Appreciation Model. We need to kick the advertising model into the trash can. Sooo fiat.
Advertising model on #nostr is evolving in #zapvertising and accompanying a value for value economy based on zapping notes and content.
Another thing that's evolving here is a pletora of different way to also react to contents and notes that isn't just a "like" but a message in various form as emojis/gifs/images/urls
I've been seeing that being built, and it really makes me nervous. I have hated advertising my entire life. And I don't mean a wavy hand disregard, I mean an active HATRED towards the interruption of whatever I was watching or reading just because someone wants to shove content in my face that I don't want to see. If I'm actively looking for a product or service, advertising in search results is logical and welcome. Show me your stuff when I'm looking for it. But get in my screen with bells and whistles when I'm not looking for it, and that company has very likely lost a potential customer because I won't support that kind of interruption bullshit.
I love Nostr because it has no algorithms, no corporations and no advertising. I hope that doesn't change, at least not in the apps that I choose to use. If an app I use frequently changes to allow ads or corporate takeovers of screen space and my time, that app can burn in the fires of Muspelheim.
Just reading this, and I completely agree with you..
Ranted this morning about that 😅
IntuitiveGuy☯️
A: Hi Bob!
B: Hey Alice, how are you doing? Oh nice hair you got today.
A: Oh, thanks.. so, you just like them? You are not zapping me for them? You are so FIAT Bob.
So basically we passed from a culture of EGO builders with 👍🏼 on Facebook, to another one where you build your EGO since you give "value" while others are only appreciating something without giving money to it. pendulum shifting so hard.
Let me ask..
1) Do you zap every note you would like 2 years ago or you are limitating your engagement because you settled a higher standard?
2) Let's say Alice zap 21 sats as minimum, and Bob zap 100 sats as minimum.. but Alice got in bitcoin just recently and have a stack of less than 0.1 btc, while Bob is in since 2013 and his stack is 100+ BTC.. who is giving more value, putting more on the line, and giving more?
3) Alice follows 2000+ users, and zaps an avarage of 100 notes a day, from just GM to long form posts.
Bob follows 100 people and zaps less than 5 notes a day but 10 times Alice amount. Who is giving more "value" and making sats flow creating a bigger net of connections and engagement..
4) #Nostr is a fucking niche still, even smaller than Bitcoin, and trying to force onlyzaps to new users that doesn't know anything about it, and don't have anyone that follow and actively engage with them, you want to also take from them an easy way of communication, because Reactions, not just LIKES, ARE A WAY OF COMMUNICATING A MESSAGE.
REACTIONS ARE NOT LIKES, FOR FUCK SAKE!
#growNostr
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Yeah I see your point, and I believe depends all about the optionability you can express while using your client. That's why I adore #Amethyst because I can set almost anything I need to be choose what to see or not.
With zapvertisment the risk could be about being spammed with mini zap of lower amounts, so muting notifications for zap under a certain amount solves that. This can be also a thing built by wallets in future.. so company that wants your attention will have to zap you higher, same for users..
I can certainly see the value of sending a zap to 'compensate' someone for screen space and time taken, but I really question whether doing that to random profiles. Something like that should absolutely be built into a search engine type app that operates on Nostr, which might be a specific feed where we type in what we are looking for and then have the ability to sort by zapped advertising so that when we click on a link to learn more it pays us a bit before we pay them if we choose to buy the product or service from them.
...question whether doing that to random profiles is the best way to catch the attention of existing nostr users who don't want to deal with advertising...
Well.. I think it's kind an inevitable problem as #bitcoin is uncensorable itself, and zaps also as they just are a lightning transaction, so you are exposed to them the moment you publish on your profile you lightning address. Knowing that anyone from anywhere can send you ads as "zap". Like of someone knows your onchain address, how can you avoid him to send you a btc transaction with an Advertisement as note?
No question that anyone can send me a zap, I'm just curious of anyone is thinking about whether they should. If someone sends me a zap, I usually try to track back which post or comment they are responding to. I've gotten many zaps into my wallet that don't seem to be coming from appreciation for something I said or posted, and I have not known what to do with those. I usually end up ignoring them, but now I guess it might mean that they're zapping me at random for some kind of zapad? Ok, thanks, whatever, <shrug>.
Try using different client, I can trace almost any zap on #Amethyst. I check from there, because the wallet I use to receive them Wallet of Satoshi, just says "zap" as note but nothing else.
well. ok then. You're right, it was able to bring up what Primal could not. Thanks for the tip!
You are welcome sir 🫂🤙🏼
