They need to Turn key

decentralized in name only

Moar acceleration

3rd party clients would be able to get around this easily, but how did this work in twitter days? (I only joined Twitter in 2022, shortly after 3p clients were killed by Elon) right now anyone can setup a Bluesky AppView or Relay, and connect it to their own apps which would bypass all of this, it's just that no other major players have so pretty much 99% of users will rely on Bluesky's ones def an issue though, but it should sprout some other people spinning up their own atproto infra i hope 🤞

does it matter that they do it if 99% of users won't switch?

i mean i'd hope that it'd be easier to explore, but it's a difficult topic. iirc some bluesky engineers have said they don't want to have a relay selector in app (like how nostr does it) since that's just friction for the user. it's a hard one, you're either making it less prone to random account takedown requests, or just making the UX so annoying that you won't get users on the site itself due to the complexity -- that's what separates atproto/bluesky and nostr imo

nostr doesn't need a relay selector on the app, it can just fetch from the source but regardless of that who is going to run an alternative bluesky relay? so far no one has stepped up and it keeps getting harder, right? what happens when Turkish government orders a PLC takedown of certain accounts?

yeah i suppose, but there's other difficult parts of nostr that make it unfriendly for the users (the keys being one main thing.. most people probably don't even use a password manager for passwords, if they don't do that, they won't keep a private key lol) oh yeah that's the thing. some people have actually made small ones on their own RPis! but none that'll be at scale (although if you can host a small one for you and close friends, maybe that'll be the way to go? there'd have to be a ton of them though.) and yeah that's the thing, bluesky *technically* have control over that. i'm not sure they ban them from the PDS though. i think that DID profile is just banned from accessing the bluesky service, but they can still use other atproto apps -- theoretically someone could make a "free speech bluesky" which caches all bluesky posts in a relay + whatever lexicon this new theoretical site would use, but again you're then relying on that person to not take gov censorship requests in moderation/t&s is a really difficult thing on socials. you OBVIOUSLY don't want the AWFUL side of things like csam, irl violence, abuse, etc.. but then there's random censroship requests like this one.. and there seems to be no good way to do this (nostr won't be great for the bad things i just mentioned before..)

I don't see how nostr can be bad for such things if you're only seeing posts from who you follow and for when you're discovering new content you can opt in to more strictly moderated or curated relays (you kinda have to anyway because most content that is interesting to others will look like just spam to you)

having a bunch if people run bsky relays and then an app that connects to a bunch of these? is that what you're suggesting? that starts to approach Nostr quite a lot, doesn't it? They'll never do that since the entire point of the relay there is to have just one

I don't know how serious are these proposals of making new apps if we know most people don't switch apps but I don't know for syre, I just assume, maybe they do and my assumptions are wrong

BLUE CRY me a river

protocols >> platforms

Bullish 4 Nostr

Such a fight. Some government’ts believe if you control speech you control religious practice- like correcting to stay on the path. Some believe they stop isolated violence or civil war. Humans and violence are a certain % but look at the % that’s not violent. View quoted note →