"Banking apps can now read which apps you have installed and also from where. You installed something they don't like? Sorry, can't access your money until you stop your wrongthinking. We are entering the dark ages of technology." Source: Twitter image

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Yeah, brace for more of this. Banking online has become so prolific they have you trapped and cornered, so much so they can control the apps and devices you use. Sound familiar.. Apple, YT, any platform. Banks are becoming platforms that hold your money. It’s not your money, you just get use of it when they permit. I hate where this is going. Tie that into digital IDs to score you on what’s acceptable and we’re screwed.
Some users on HN "clarify" that it's Google's filter enabled by app developers on the store. Bitwarden is flagged by the level HSBC devs specified in their filter settings. So that's a question for Google.
That's the price geeks need to pay for the millions of end users who will click literally ANY rubbish on Facebook and get their phones infested with spyware, and then complain they've been scammed and their money stolen - not because they're careless but because "Google and HSBC allowed us to be robbed".
The more I think about it, the more I think that the banks assumes its a trojan app and there’s spyware on the device. Bitwarden downloaded from an unofficial source is probably not a great idea. —The notification is stupid and unclear as to why its any of their business in the first place. 🧡👊🏻🍻
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Hide&Seek 1 week ago
This makes me thing of these Academy of Ideas videos about the terrible mother archetype... Their vision of security is an abusive restrain & overprotect, when an healthy vision of security is more about defending spaces of freedom by actively booting away the threats.
And what do you think your mandatory #digitalid app is going to do? If you think this tyranny, you ain't seen nothing yet. You can stomp your foot and say you won't comply, but you will. You can cry about it after it happens, but you will cry silently to yourself. Or we can build a way out now. We can win this, but you gotta get in the game. View quoted note →
Jivan Pal's avatar Jivan Pal
It's not because it's Bitwarden, it's because an app has been installed from a source other than the Play Store, and thus hasn't been audited by Google and installed with the verification of Play Protect. HSBC doesn't want apps that aren't Play Protect-certified installed on the device. Android is merely showing the user a list of all such apps, so that they know what to uninstall if they wish to comply with HSBC's mandate. The HSBC app doesn't know what the offending apps are, merely that at least one offending apps is installed. Install Bitwarden directly from the Play Store rather than another source, and the HSBC app won't complain. Yes, it's still utterly stupid, especially when you consider the fact that the same banks are willing to let customers access and manage their accounts in any web browser, which is much less secure. No, the UK banks won't budge on this, they've been doing it for over 10 years in various forms, it's a continuous cat-and-mouse game. The extra (nominal) security guarantee afforded by Play Protect is not a requirement for EU PSD2 SCA authenticator app compliance, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in HSBC's liability/cybersecurity department advised them to implement this for some misguided reason. That said, I'm running Android 14 on a non-rooted device with several apps installed from sources other than the Play Store (including Bitwarden from F-Droid), and all of my UK banking apps (of which I have 12, as I have accounts with almost every bank that operates in the UK, though HSBC is notably not one of them) function just fine. Suffice it to say that if First Direct (an online-only subsidiary of HSBC UK that is routinely ranked as the top bank nationally for customer service) implements this and refuses to revert, I'm closing my accounts with them.
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The api to see what's installed and to get notified on install, uninstall and update events is old and got more restrictive in newer android versions but this is totally possible. Should a banking app refuse to work if an unknown version of a password manager is installed? Maybe not far fetched.