Totally 😆

How is it winning if 3 out of 500 relays handle it well while every new person who joins thinks nostr is just spam and leaves

I still spend 15-30 minutes daily scanning the #introductions hashtag and commenting on people that make an effort with their initial posts.

Competition. Now 500 relays are suckers and can either step their game up or not be used at all. But I see much more than 3 relays succeeding. I barely see spam right now, even though I am not using utxo's custom relays. The relays having trouble seem to just be the ones that can't or won't implement fixes for it.

What happened to smart client dumb relay. We’re expecting relays to be smart?

Spam filtering has been a basic relay activity since day 1. I don't think adding spam filtering moves us to smart relays, dumb clients. Also, the reason I don't see much spam is because Amethyst also has spam filtering. So, it's not that clients are giving up. In the end, clients alone can't solve this. Relays alone also can't solve it. Both need to be developed to make things work.

What kind of spam filtering do you do? Basic wot or something more traditional?

Super basic stuff like looking for duplicated content, selecting user lists for notifications (wot), sentence hiding using post + profile info (so spam keys must not have a user metadata, otherwise it's easy to filter). But I want to do a more traditional 5-levels deep wot DVM to add to the process.

nice, those are good

Seems like the latest spammers are using random content from random posts, with random duplicate profiles, so the duplicate content thing is easy to get around, especially if they fudge it a bit :(

Yeah, if DVMs are not available, I think it would be best to start marking users as "interacted with before" and then filtering by those. Meaning, you have to have liked or replied to the person before to show up on notifications. Which is very similar to how we separate known from new people on DMs.

Meaning WoT from the reply/like/zap information, not only from the follow list.

Exactly what ive been thinking, except in my design these are inputs to a pluggable nostrscript anti spam algo

Nice! I might start creating a User Status event for every new interaction, putting them into the "interacted with" list

GitHub

Contact Cards by vitorpamplona · Pull Request #761 · nostr-protocol/nips

Uses unbound lists to create events that define the relationship between two pubkeys in a public or private manner. Read here

This is what I’ve been on about for months … WoT filtering (of bots and bad actors) is too much work for clients to handle and unnecessary burden for relays to deliver all the spam. The bulk of WoT filtering NEEDS to be handled “server” side. The “only” problem with “smart relays” is possible lack of choice and transparency for end users. Now we have WoT relays … Soon we will have “smarter” WoT algos (as @jb55 and @Vitor Pamplona mention bellow) using more than just follows follows. These algos will be accessible to end users (in any client) via relay feeds, custom nip51 list feeds, and via DVMs. In addition, clients and relays themselves will be able to access algo APIs directly, to offer their own white labeled solutions. I am currently working with @david and @cloud fodder on My Grapevine (https://grapevine.my), to spearhead open source development of WoT algos and user centered WoT services. In the end, we envision an open and accessible market FULL of WoT solutions that end users can choose from (and recommend and share with each other). But yea, @🐈 , WoT filters on the relay is still well within the scope of “pure” old skool nostr. IMHO

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