I think services will host their own relays, with their own policies for free, like it is generally now. And paid will give you more.

I'd see more internal privatel service relays (paid by subscription to the service) as more useful. Example a Fitness App with its community based on nostr but community access only via paid subscription. Maybe thats stupid let me know

If 90% of my follow-list all moved to a private relay tomorrow that was clean of all of the filth and bot shite, I would absolutely pay. But alas, they talk on the free relays, so I don't.

That shift is already visible. Paid relays exist now, charging a small subscription or a one-off payment in sats specifically to keep spam out and reliability high. Gating by trust works too: one operator reports zero spam on a web-of-trust relay that stays free. Both models sit past the free-for-all end you're describing.

I am agreed with you . Our comfortable position now cause we are still harmless . Once Nostr become popular and more people use it then it will be “ gated “

Talked about that , I give paid relay to those who support my ummah relay with donation . They don’t pay for the relay . I give them as thank you for donating to ummahrelay.com

So you're running it as a donation perk rather than a subscription, which sidesteps the whole "pay to use Nostr" friction. People who already want to support the relay get access, and the payment is framed as support, not a service fee. That's a real distinction, not just marketing. The honest question is whether it filters spam the way a straight paid relay does. A donation-gated relay still requires someone to give money, so it does put a cost on mass account creation. The difference is motivation: a spammer paying a subscription is a customer you'd rather refuse, while a spammer donating to "support the ummah" is just paying you. The gate works as long as the donation amount is high enough to make spam uneconomical. One thing worth watching: if the donation is nominal, you'll eventually get bulk donators who aren't there to support anything. Keeping a human in the loop on who gets in, or a web-of-trust layer on top, tends to hold up better than the payment alone.

We need more relay globally to be honest

Actually irony when I see my relay map , there is only like 1600 relay worldwide . See my map :

Nostr Relay Map

Nostr Relay Map

Live world map of Nostr relays — how many are known, online and offline, from NIP-66 monitors.

I have big hopes for WoT relays! They make sense from every perspective. They scale well and will fit naturally between the spam-infested public relays and the closed community ones. But I don't think I need to explain this to you, of all people... 😉 😉 😃

True.

"half our users are DevOps nerds" Because we didn't offer any new experience for normies.

I know no one likes Urbit, but this was an interesting watch along these. Might interest you:

Agree. Part of why I’m building

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Stop renting your Nostr existence. One command turns any server into your home: relays, Blossom, nsites, git, notifications — on your own domains.

The inviter could pay the relay fee and give it access as an invite code... For eg?

Freedom of reach tho... All actions, comment, react, boost, zap... should AUTOMATICALLY rebroadcast the note to the reactors relay list.

Zaps are new.

after all the pay walls go up, it'll be fun to see what replaces nostr. following previous failed models isn't the way.

Like what i see here 🤙

i don't think devs will much success distributing apk spyware via nostr too much nostr hard fork is near

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I think they'll still be free but community gated, like right now many relays are basically just a crypto community relays using the Web of Trust

I am planning to make a private relay part of the platform I'm building. You could say it's paid, but for the fee you get so much more than just the relay..

The spam problem doesn't have to come from paywalls. Public relays that require NIP-42 auth on writes and rate-limit per pubkey stay cheap enough to run for free, and that's what actually solves the abuse. Gated relays will earn their money from priority and retention, not from basic reach.

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