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omg the link includes the ':' in Primal and Damus and therefore returns 404 ... here's the proper link: https://stacker.news/items/1237550 nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnsv9ex2ar09e6x7amwqyvhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ycmgv43kktndv5hhyetvv9usqgzn9kpsmllqnsf7wh5tz3wgy4cclsftqqplv8tpayrhwgw8llunevk4p6dz nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqpq8m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsmthtls

That has always been my contention with the way Super presents Lightning. He starts with the best case scenario when in reality 99% of LN users are on things like Wallet of Satoshi that can see every transaction they make The bar to achieve comparable privacy on Lightning is higher than Monero. The average user doesn't have to jump through those extra hoops and points of friction to reach it. That being said Super has made me appreciate the advantages Lightning *can* offer and ways to use it more privately through our conversations. And he does have some valid criticisms of Monero.

Yeah I agree. IMO, he’s picking bad fights. There are many ways to attack Monero but to compare its privacy with Lightning and completely ignore the UX or how most people use Lightning isn’t the best idea imo

(I wrote “imo” twice. This is why I wish edits on nostr had consistent support across clients.)

Or at least a timer before the note actually gets sent

I was thinking this would be a good idea the other day too

Sounds like you're in danger of falling for the "just use monero" meme. Your post acts like it is far easier to use monero privately than lightning, but you may not have considered the following difficulties: - You're supposed to run a monero node (not a phone wallet) - You're supposed to hide the ip address of your node or wallet by running that software behind tor/i2p/vpns - You're supposed to avoid reusing monero addresses, or even reusing a monero *wallet* See these quotes from getmonero.org: "To prevent the payer from linking your payouts together [you must] generate a new subaddress for each payout. ... If you need perfect unlinkability of your receivables, the only solution remains to use a separate seed (separate Monero wallet)." source: https://docs.getmonero.org/public-address/subaddress/ “It's always advisable, especially for privacy-conscious users, to use a personal node when transacting on the network to achieve the highest rate of privacy.” source: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/ “Some dangers can be mitigated by using remote nodes on the Tor or I2P networks or using a VPN.” source: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/ By contrast, you've said you can just post a monero address on stacker news and be protected. But where did you *get* that monero address? Did you set up a node first? Did you just download Cake Wallet and hope their software isn't logging your monero address and mapping it to your IP? Did you turn on tor first? Are you doing anything to avoid address reuse? Are you creating a new wallet for each payment? Privacy is very hard, and it's a trap to fall into thinking "Oh, as long as I just post a monero address somewhere, my privacy is protected by default." No it isn't.

Hey Super, You are probably already aware but that was a good read https://www.eddieoz.com/monero-under-attack-how-the-community-responds-to-selfish-mining-attacks/ Another 51% successful attack against Monero.

None of what you said makes Monero harder to use privately than Lightning