BREAKING: FU MONEY If Bitcoin was the one with the power of separating money from the state it would be Bitcoin who would be attacked. But as Bitcoiners are joining Bitcoin with the state so they have the "establishment" support. Monero instead are doing what bitcoin was doing before bitcoin was hijacked to not fullfill satoshi vision of P2P money without financial third parties. Now you almost cant use/buy Bitcoin without a financial third parties like strike, like swan, like Relai. RIP SEPARATE THE MONEY FROM STATE

Should have stuck with Bitcoin

The same thing is possible with Bitcoin btw. Today. Both Foundry and AntPool can pull a successful 51% attack even without colluding. They just won’t have 100% success perpetually.

Privacy larps? 😂Ded

Bitcoin IS being attacked. It's being constantly attacked by the likes of Black Rock, the MSM, world governments and well funded shitcoins. The (main) current attack is paper Bitcoin since that seems to be most likely to succeed. Bitcoiner didn't "join the state", the state is joining us and I don't trust none of them dirty dogs. You can join us or you can stay in the sandbox playing your kiddie games, youre choice.

Thats not what we see by the ones who lead bitcoin. We clearly see bitcoiners wanting pump bags no matter what. And the only thing they have to support it is NGU. Functionalities and infra your community is building show everything we need to know. Its not the state pushing to join bitcoiners, is bitcoiners pushing the state to join, that is clear as water. Only one with biased analisys says otherwise

Bitcoin has no leaders, it's decentralized.

Typical answer from people who are in denial.. And more, centralized mining on bitcoin show us that it is bitcoin that is in a position of having a sucessful 51% attack, and it will be made sucesseful sooner or later. If establishment and govs were attacking bitcoin that 51% attack would already be done and original bitcoin would go 0 than. If bitcoin is being attacked, why state agents and Blackrocks of life didnt already forked the chain and did the attack? This pic talks it all, its a matter of making a law and your "decentralization" is fucked.

Those miners don't control all that hash. If any one one of them attempts a 51% attack the actual hashers can easily direct their hashpower elsewhere. Either you don't understand this and are daft, or you do understand this and are intentionally speaking in bad faith. In either case I'm done responding to you.

You dont have any decentralized pool, so where you will direct your hashrate to? Can you explain to me?

You are not seeing the bigger picture, look whats above all of them..

You truly are daft. Ok, so if any one of the pools from the largest to the smallest attempts a 51% attack the hashers who direct their hashrate to a pool that is not acting beligerent can very easily direct it to a mining pool that is not acting beligerently. Mining, and mining pools are the very definition of a fluid situation. What you are saying is like saying the ocean is not decentralized because there are only 7 seas.

As above so below

What is the part that you didnt understand that government owns every mining pool? Do you think they will do a 51% attack with only one pool if they own them all? Naivety is real here..

You kicked this off by saying Bitcoin is not being attacked. I said it is being attacked from all sides including the governments. Now this? Make it make sense. I'm not saying the war is won, I'm saying it's happening right now. Bitcoin vs USD is the main event and the USD is doing a lot of dirty desperate tricks including mining shenanigans and now stable coins ETF etc etc. Some fiat suits will join others will pretend to join and try to sabotage the movement. Bitcoin is money for your enemies and consensus is rough by definition and it evolved. But anyways have fun playing with your shitcoins.

But yet they don't, wonder why.

Cope harder on your altar of privacy. Its nothing to do with bitcoin " joining" the state. Tf where is the state in bitcoin, is the state in the room with us right now? Making monero GPU only mineable is its death kneel. Low barriers to entry also = low cost to attack. Bitcoiners have been saying this for ages. Just took long enough for someone to figure out the right sauce of shit to exploit the flawed design decisions from developers. YOU CAN NEVER CENTRALLY decide lare swaths of economic incentives in a system and expect it to last period. Humans aren't a fucking math problem. Catalytics is human action in practice. And well let's just say moneros Catalytics always was inferior just took long enough for it to come to light as is tradition with all shitcoins. Come at the king, you'd beat not miss. Bitcoin is used everyday without any of those above systems your claiming are "needed" cope more.

Yeah, I wonder why as well.

That was sarcasm. We all know why. Incentives make it less profitable to be dishonest

Cope

Data

Which is at best shit. Hashrate can never be known, only guessed at. Bitcoiners know this forever. Regardless of your data points You got reorged, only time before its a regular occurrence. Then all finality is out the window. Its the settlement assurances stupid.

I know it was meant as sarcasm, my comment was serious tho. Incentives are not what is stopping them really. It’s probably uncertainty. With 30% of the hashrate, a 51% attack is not successful in perpetuity. And an adversarial state with a money printer could easily cover for their bottom line revenue. View quoted note →

Final settlement is not guaranteed until 10 blocks. That reorg was only 6 blocks. Aka, a failure.

Thats a lot of words for your shitcoin is cooked.

I've been staring to wonder

Whatever dude. You do you

You get a pretty clear picture of true hashrate over many blocks. It's statistics bro.