Just use OTR...
Just use Signal protocol...
Just use a server...
The problem of unstoppable, private group messaging is SO much bigger and SO much harder than anyone gives it credit for (including me).
There are many shortcuts. There are many half-baked solutions that might get short-term adoption.
Building the thing right has pushed me to the limit many times over the last few years. And yet, I'm still here. Still learning, still building. I'm not going to give up, and I'm not going to cut corners.
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just use SMS whats your problem
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"Hard agree on the trade-offs between convenience and true privacy—most 'solutions' are bandaids. Reminds me of how private credit markets face similar tensions between liquidity and stability (shortcuts vs. sustainable design). Just read a solid breakdown on how that plays out for investors:
https://theboard.world/articles/private-credit-liquidity-crunch-impact-investors"
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Just use NIP-04 bro
just use White Noise
Well with RCS it's end-to-end encrypted...
Yeah there's always a balance between the "best" and the "good enough"... I'm on Signal but it's a lift to get most of my "normie" friends and family on there.
What's nice these days is most modern phones' SMS will support RCS chat, so at least that's end-to-end encrypted.
What is a OTR?
Would also like to know
From Wikipedia
Off-the-record messaging (OTR) is a cryptographic protocol that provides encryption for instant messaging conversations. OTR uses a combination of AES symmetric-key algorithm with 128 bits key length, the Diffie–Hellman key exchange with 1536 bits group size, and the SHA-1 hash function. In addition to authentication and encryption, OTR provides forward secrecy and malleable encryption.
Network effects seems to be the big problem though.
It just baffles me that for the past 4 years, I’ve been in a group chat filled to the brim with privacy minded coders
…on telegram.
Several attempts to move it somewhere else (anywhere would be better), but in the end, we just stay where we are, because, well, that’s where we are.