Lightning zaps can be faked. Onchain zaps cannot.
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True. @semisol zapped himself 22M bitcoin three years ago 🤣
And all of the Zaps I've gotten are fake too.
thats a feature not a bug. we want them to be that way.
noone can fake a zap to my posts
lightning zaps can be faked by a custodial wallet that never actually routes a payment. but onchain 'zaps' aren't really zaps, they're just transactions. the spec (NIP-57) requires a lightning invoice and payment preimage.
except for myself
The most interested party?
How can lightning zaps be faked ?
How are zaps fake ?
what incentive to i have to fake zaps to myself? people using zaps for algos is the issue.
This.
They can be faked. You just need to publish an event signed from your node.
you can fake the amount/bolt11. The only thing that authorizes a zap is the nostrPubkey (zapper pubkey) on the lnurl server. So it needs to be trusted by you
To boost your own posts that will be seen in every client out there. It's not only algos. Humans are easily manipulated.
Thats a client issue. People shouldn’t be trusting zaps for ranking or filtering. Zaps are only useful for ranking your own posts or filtering things / prioritizing dms
So, why do you even show them on posts at all? Why even make an "only zaps" mode where the only visible feedback to a post is the amount of zaps it got?
i show them on posts because I know my node sent them. What do you mean?
So lightning zaps - no one can fake a zap to my note except me?
But technically they can be faked.
And onchain zaps nobody can fake them but it doxxes you tx history and is bad for privacy?
And probably takes longer and cost more fees
I’m just trying to see pros and cons?
But I have no idea what I’m jabbering about.
So you don't show what other people have sent to each other without your node participating?
There is no way to verify a lightning zap. But you can verify onchain zaps.
Boat accident equivalent
I show other peoples zaps, but its not that important in damus since we dont have zap feeds
Still.. your users are using those numbers to mentally assign reputation to the author. You even made an only zaps mode to remove everything else from that equation.
My point is that people have been getting fooled by our interfaces. It's way too easy to fake.
They wouldn’t be able to fake zaps from real people. You would see a bunch of zaps from random npubs. Can use WoT for zapper pubkeys that aren’t your own
Yep, but no client filters only the amount of zaps sent by follows to another user.. in practice, it's quite easy.
With a minimum policy fee rate of 0.1 sat/vbyte and roughly 100 vbyte per transaction it costs 1 cent to fake a zap. The average grifter is happy to pay that probably.