🚨 The Damus relay (relay.damus.io) is retiring at the end of July! 🚨
@jb55 has announced he's retiring the ole gal. Here's what you need to do:
1. Update your Nostr profile and swap out relay.damus.io for healthy alternatives
2. Check your apps' hardcoded relays as many clients ship with it baked in
3. Vibe coders, listen up, if you're building Nostr apps with LLMs, check your default relays! Models love to default to relay.damus.io and relay.nostr.band.
⚠️ Remove relay.nostr.band too as it's been dead for over a year.
Good replacements: relay.ditto.pub, relay.primal.net, nos.lol, purplerelay.com if you like large public relays. Though, my recommendation would be to choose smaller, lesser known relays and Web-of-Trust relays. These will help with spam and decentralization.
Update your relay lists while you still can!
Bonus: visit
SyncStr
SyncStr - Nostr Profile Sync Tool
Keep your Nostr profile perfectly synchronized across relays. Secure, fast profile data transfer with complete ownership of your identity.
and sync your profile data from Damus to other relays.
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shutting down your relay now is like selling your bitcoin at 1$, big mistake.
I keep getting no profile info found on syncstr no matter what relay I connect to
you do it too
yep, already updated locally :)
ok, for download and upload, you should use jsonl and not json
You can also add wss://freelay.sovbit.host and wss://pipe.imwald.eu, for general-purpose relays.
For documents (longform, highlights, wikis, publications, gitstuff) add wss://thecitadel.nostr1.com.
For profiles use wss://profiles.nostr1.com
thanks for the recommendation. boosting!
Any idea, why the shutdown?
So many people were using that relay for so many things that it was a gigantic monster to maintain, but it earned him no income and caused Nostr to be too centralized.
ongoing costs to run and maintain.
these things are not related at all. one makes you money. one costs money.
audience and traffic has value, Twitter was not acquired for nothing. I would not be surprised if a relay is sold for a huge amount of sats in the future
You’re running a campaign on x to run their platform on a relay, how much would be the relay once it happen?
Bitcoin value has to do with its network effect as well.
I do wonder why he didn’t just delete all events older than 6-12 months.
People can’t expect to have their stuff stored for free forever, so I think that would be totally acceptable.
I suspect this is the inevitable outcome of all relays. I don’t think there is any incentives to run a relay for free, and people don’t want to pay…
I want Nostr to succeed, but have yet to see any ideas for a sustainable business model.
I don’t know how that is related. Twitter is a locked platform. Nostr is open.
I (and anyone else) can pull all the data from a relay like the Damus relay and store it on my own relay, which means the data stored on any relay is worth nothing because it can be easily copied.
Bitcoin has zero value because it can be forked.
Network effect, the fact that Damus is used in so many clients and account. It’s central in the nostr web. Client use Damus to build a feed, because there is content. Everything in its infancy cost time energy and money. The first million coin that satoshi mined costed him money
exactly. on my relay we have a 14 day auto delete on the free tier, and you pay if you want to keep it on longer
That's what I do on pipe. I just roll off anything over 300k events, or with an overdue expiration tag or deletion request. That's plenty useful and that keeps it from exploding.
pipe relay
pipe relay
This is not a pipe. A relay that pulls events in via the operator’s follow/outbox graph (spider ingest) and keeps only a rotating cache locally ...
Will has done this 3 times i think over the last 3 years, where he deleted everything and started over.
i've been running many relays for several years. nostrplebs.com is offset slightly by users having to buy a nostr address to use it. however, nostrelites.org is free to all people whom i follow and whom they follow. it's a WoT relay. i don't think i've ever got any specific type of donation for it.
Azzamo relays are ready for the Damus refugees 🫡
wss://nostr.azzamo.net (free)
wss://relay.azzamo.net (Premium/paid)
Been running strong for years.
I have no idea how any of this works.
if you go into your relay settings or network settings or server settings and if you see relay.damus.io listed, you should remove it and add one of the ones i mentioned.
Thanks. I'm just kind of celebrating/lamenting retards like myself who are still here after years of knowing nothing about the mechanics of this relay stuff. Not sure who to thank. I guess Vitor and Amethyst.
Will nuked the relay a few months ago. Which is why only your kind 0 is found. He normally keeps those through the nuke.
I think Nostr will succeed to the degree that it remains a relatively niche protocol and platform, preventing many of the issues that come from scale.
@Derek Ross the nip 65 lists are the part that will lag. plenty of people will update their client and still hand out a dead relay in their outbox for months.
@DrShift does it rewrite the broken list in place, or just show you what is wrong so you can fix it in your own client? most of the broken nip65 lists i have run into came from one client overwriting what another one already wrote.
Just added your relay and thanks for all the work you do with Nostr 🤙
Good point. Thank you.
It's designed to overwrite in place. Means if your client overwriting it's broken again.
