Twitter Created for freedom by jack, but now overthrown by elon musk #[0]

Bingo! Not that freedom is free, however. In the old days, people shot each other for freedom. Now it takes years of slaving away at a computer writing software to gift freedom to many. That’s progress. Real progress.

True 🙏

Freedom is free at Nostr 💜

Most importantly freedom requires a subscription.

I thought it was $8?

The more Musk tweets the more I distant myself from anything he projects. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Why isn’t there an alternative internet not controlled by gov and elites and corporate interests?

4 Ps of marketing: Product Place Promotion and Price …

We love #Nostr 💜

the snakes / parasites in self-proclaimed “gov” / etc. def trying to pour their venomous contagions in there no doubt; stay above the “influence” lads: the seas are going to be rough with monstas.

I can’t believe Elon musk colluded with governments but people have been saying that for a long time 😐😒

A small cost for man, a huge cost for freedom of expression.🫥

Magic number: 7 …

Open ended post. (See ‘may.’)

Terrible !!

Jack you’re my generation 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 I’m proud of belonging you the gen you belong to! Keep it up 🙂

Not an Elon Musk fan either, but you realize Twitter colluded with government agencies under #[2]'s leadership too, right? Its not an Elon vs Jack thing. Its a corporate protocol vs p2p protocol thing. Which is why Nostr and Bitcoin exist.

"freedom"

Belonging to *

But, can I pay in Doge coin?

NOSTR PLEBS BE LIKE

Three Fiddy in Twin Weeks?

dna as price in future? its free

I'll get two big freedoms please. And one small fredom to go.

Ok, give me that tiny furry pink freedom also. Looks cute.

**** if one does not stroke mr musk's ego, twitter freedoms will be revoked

Glad I bought SQ and not twatter

Don’t tell him about Nostr.

On Nostr we pay each other for freedom ❤️⚡

I'm legit keeping a moon bag of DOGE so if Elon does integrates it into Twitter I can sell it for BTC. It's from a really old wallet back when people gave it out to each other free on Reddit then I withdrew to a local wallet and forgot the password until a few months ago.

Yup and Tesla has to cozy up to the CCP to sell their products in China just like Apple. Almost as if companies only care about profit or something! Open protocols are for communities not quarterly earnings 👌

At Nostr people pay me to speak freely!

Anyone who thinks that the internet has anything to do with freedom missed the boat on net neutrality's failure. And anyone who thinks Jack Dorsey didn't miss the same boat must not be on Jack Dorsey's Gulfstream.

I mean.. your website literally caters to and welcomes convicted child sex offenders.

The subscription model is the classic fraud model.

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“Freedom”

Elon is basically Nelson Mandela Oh wait

Elon thinks he's Nelson Mandela #[0]

Freedom subject to change

Without having done two decades in a cage

“Freedom with their exception” - Metallica “eye of the beholder”

Free and open, where you can own your data is an even SMALLER price for actual freedom! #NOSTR #[0] #[0]

You may have purchased this blue badge, or then again, maybe not. #[0]

The free in freedom stands for $7

Lol

pay up nigga #[0]

Your mocking sounds more like bickering.

Freedom is when I have to pay $8 to get my voice heard. Peak freedom!

Dying! 🤣

Your experience at twitter certainly sharpened your approach to 'the machine'. I like the evolving 'Jack'! You'll be the sharpest tool for freedom in the coming years!

Elle me semble relativement utopique puisqu'elle dépend de beaucoup de critères surtout le bien commun se doit d'être une primauté dans nos sociétés et ses règles, les lois, constitutions diverses à respecter qui de plus ne peuvent pas être individualisées .

The fee in freedom stands for $7

....And we are buying it... whilst our banks check our 'credit scores' 😄😔 #Nostr #Bitcoin 🧡🌍

He’s not wrong

I don't see most people here having an objection to pay for a service that delivers on its promises - but as you point out, Twitter is not free in speech as Elon promised it would be, nor is it free in the sense of freedom in owning your data. Rather you are paying for priority in the algorithm and that's practically it, unless you consider a tick a status symbol which it isn't now anyone with $8 can get one. Imo it's not comparable to paid relays for a few reasons. First you can enjoy the benefits of paid relays without paying a cent, you only need to pay to write to them. On Twitter you must pay the premium or you are effectively treated like a bot. More and more of Twitter is becoming Blue only. Second, if I don't like the policies or prices of one paid relays I can pay for a different one. Or I can make my own and choose it's public, invite only, or paid. There's a free market due to the competition. Additionally, soon we will have the same for algorithms. Clients can create algorithm markets. Each user can choose the algorithm they want (or none at all) without being penalised by a central authority. The real beef isn't the cost. It's that Elon promised he'd make Twitter a free market of ideas and turn it into a decentralised protocol because it was too important to be centrally controlled. He also promised Twitter would integrate crypto payments and become a multimedia platform and integrate encrypted DMs and all sorts. He hasn't delivered on either. I'd like to point out that Nostr does pretty much all of that aside from the multimedia already. And even there, you can see it's being worked on rapidly. Twitter is owned by one of the richest people in the world and so far all they've accomplished is $8 blue ticks. Look at what Nostr has accomplished in the same time with mostly a volunteer open source community. At least the Twitter algorithm is open source though. So he did keep one promise.

Outside of large corporations, the internet is and has always been free as in freedom. If you grew up in the pre-Facebook era you know it was a different place back then. Part of why I love Nostr so much is that it feels like a return to the internet I grew up with. No corporate overlords, no central control, just communities of people keeping their community alive as long as enough people pay the hosting bill.

If Twitter goes bankrupt! Then there will be no news!

I concur. hey i don't want any jordan peterson candy or anything but how might a person connect one of these nostr wallets to ledger live?

I think these are mostly all valid points, but 1. Twitter isnt going to release half baked alpha software that let's you potentially zap your money into the abyss. I think Elon wants to make twitter into a super app, meaning having a payment service built in; we should make sure nostr dominates this field. 2. Paid verification is their way of controlling bots, if you only scroll twitter then you don't need an account at all, if you want to be treated like a real person with important ideas then you'll have to pay the toll, just like subbing to a paid relay. On both platforms, content creators are being charged, users don't really have an incentive to pay. 3. The UX provided by the central provider, twitter, is already better than any nostr relay; there's no shopping around or ditching one for the other, because there doesn't need to be.

17 years versus 2. This is moving faster. On 3: the gossip model/relay autopilot works very well.

HAHAHA

2. is only about control. nothing else. bots are the same excuse as terrorists are for banning bitcoin. idiotic. only the message is important, the messenger is not. everyone has a right to privacy, if you like it or not. on nostr i have never heard about anyone losing funds except for umbrel

I think people don't understand the time difference and amount of commitment involved when they do comparisons. Nostr is so incredibly new. Many clients are less than 3 months old. We have a lot of room for growth and the rate of that growth is incredible.

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#nostr is moving forward at nostrich speed

1. Twitter has literally been testing in prod ever since Elon set foot in the offices. Funnily enough, adding zaps would be one of the smoothest, least buggy things Twitter does because Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey are friends irl. Jack owns CashApp which has zaps built in. If Elon wanted this for Twitter he could simply ask Jack for help from Block. 2. I have never paid for a relay I didn't control and I am still able to interact with Nostr just fine. On Twitter, if you don't pay, your tweets are buried by the algorithm. It's apples and oranges. Additionally I am extending my offer: I own one paid relay (bitcoinforthe.lol) and one non-paid but invite only relay (nostr.xanny.family) and I'll give you free access to both if you want. I don't care about the money. I care about not seeing spam on Nostr. 2b. Content creators are not being charged on Nostr. In fact, you've given me an idea, I can make a relay exclusively for content creators. The creators can join free and get to broadcast their notes free. Users can read from it but not write to it. That gives you a "one stop shop" directory of content creators on your feed simply from adding a relay. Nostr also already has: its own blogging service with a choice of self-hosted frontends (if you want to self-host them), integration with podcast apps that pay creators directly via zaps, it already has its own version of Twitter Spaces called Nests, you can use it to post art, and videos are coming along nicely. The difference is this. Twitter is talking about taking a ~40% cut of revenues from creators. In all fairness, this is due in part to higher overhead: all those AWS bills pile up. Nostr, being inherently decentralised, does not have this concern. As long as there's people running relays, Nostr profiles will load up. No need for invasive ads and creators keep all the money their fans send them. How is that not better for creators? Because sometimes relay admins charge a few cents one-off so spammers go elsewhere? Also, let's look at this objectively. As @npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m rightfully pointed out, Twitter has been around 17 years. The fact Nostr is catching up and, in many cases, beating Twitter to market with innovations is very impressive. 3. You seem to be conflating two different things here. Clients and relays are not the same thing. You can have 50 relays in one client, and if you switch between clients, it remembers your relays because they're linked to your "account" (keypair). Whether the UX is better is subjective, but I'd argue Damus and Plebstr are superior to the Twitter app in almost every way.

You are still a slave to an algorithm on both sides. They won.

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Freedom costs a buck o’ five.

THE NOSTR REPORT MUCH EWW! 🐕💩 Apr 3, 2023 Block Height: 783,821 Moscow Time: 36:06 ⚡/ $ —-------------------------- 🎙️Quote of the Day🎙️ —-------------------------- #[0] on algorithms: “People are so worried about the AI of the future, look at what it's already doing to you now. 🤦‍♂️” #[1] —-------------------------- 🚨Headline Nostr News🚨 —-------------------------- #[2] has a new website and a new team member! We are excited to welcome #[3] to the Nostr Report team! He has offered us his amazing technical skills and hit the ground running helping overhaul our website. If you haven’t seen it yet, check it out at https://nostr.report . We think it’s pretty amazing! Read our full announcement in the linked note. 🥳🎉🥂 #[4] #[5] This is real life adoption! Freedom will find you once you let #Bitcoin in 🧡 #[7] After many participated in #MarchOffTwitter we continue to see several people post about whether to go back, or to what extent to go back. #[9] adds to the “Twitter vs. Nostr” conversation in the linked note below. Check out what he has to say, and we appreciate his humility and prudent advice when it comes to these conversations: “Don’t trust me on this. It will continue to play out over the years.” Jack also notes in a separate post that “Freedom” on Twitter has some major caveats. 🐕💩 #[10] #[11] #[12] tells us straight. Make us more connectable! 🔌 #[13] Check out wss://purplepag.es , a new type of relay by #[14] which only handles a special event kind: event kinds 0 and 10002. The goal of this relay is to easily find other user profile and relay information. 🔍🤗 #[15] #[16] describes NIP-47, or Nostr Wallet Connect (NWC), allowing for 1-click zaps from your lightning wallet, all within your client. Test out NWC using Amethyst + Get Alby. ⚡️ ⚡️ #[17] #[18] follows up with his own praise for NIP-47 (NWC) #[19] —-------------------------- 💻nostr Tech💻 —-------------------------- #[20] We like our gifs shaken, not stirred. Current App version 0.0.7 approved for the iOS App Store. Among other features and fixes, this update makes PLEBHY available to all users. 🥃 #[21] #[22] Damus introducing profile picture uploading, and broadcasting the note you are replying to, along with fixes such as the image cropping issue, 🖼️ #[23] #[24] #[25] #[26] continues to make

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Nostr stuff yo!

useful for more and more Nostr stuff. This new feature allows you to extract the bech32 npub and note ID from a Nostr event json. 🌋 #[27] #[28] is looking for some help from a “typescript wizard”! 🙌 If you think you got what it takes make sure to slide into his DMs…😉 #[29] #[30] discusses plans for the Zapstr client. Features include early access to exclusive content for whitelisted npubs, streaming sats, and boostsgrams all of which support the creators. 🍯 #[31] #[32] Mullvad VPN and Tor Project partner to create the Mullvad Browser. Odell describes it as “what Brave could have been if they did not get distracted dumping their premined shitcoin on users.” #[33] —-------------------------- ⚡nostr Business⚡ —-------------------------- Is #[34] teasing us to visit El Salvador? #[35] —-------------------------- 🔥🔥Meme of the Day🔥🔥 —-------------------------- #[36] Sooooo cringe 😬 #[37] —-------------------------- 🏆☠️Darwin Awards☠️🏆 —-------------------------- Much wow? Such amaze? More like “SO LONG!” In a stunning display of its owner’s hubris, Twitter today changed its loading page and website logo to the Dogecoin Shiba Inu, with Elon Musk tweeting a screenshot of a previous conversation showing himself joking about doing just that.

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As promised

Contrary to promises made, the social network increasingly proves itself to be anything but a bastion of free speech, prompting even more users to leave the platform for freer (as in freedom) alternatives such as Nostr. For this self-destructive behavior, we award Twitter with our latest Nostr Report Darwin Award. 🪦☠️🏆 —-------------------------- Stay Classy Nostr.

Again, all fair points. The last couple days have been a continued downtrend for twitter, and it seems obvious that elons ego will get in the way of the platform being everything it could be. You know, when I look at fiatjafs timeline, I have serious disagreements with what he believes, but it doesn't matter because he doesn't CONTROL nostr in the same way. I still think the lightning integration into twitter is a stretch, cashapp would be an option, but then we haven't decentralized or censorship hardened anything. Lightning, as far as I understand, in any of its implementations, is still very alpha/beta, promising, but not particularly trustworthy (emphasis worthy). No question nostr is doing more for its users, and that the cost is far cheaper than that of twitter. Just to clarify, I am not saying nostr is any one app, I understand the difference between relays and clients, my point is that from any angle twitter is more fluid, aside from micro payments I suppose. Nostr is catching up quickly, but I think people here tend to assume we are immune to problems like bots spamming; I think its more like this platform is still small and its userbase is difficult to deceive, once the first factor changes then the second follows naturally, and the problems will become apparent. It is certainly the time to burn the bridge to the old world though. Whatever problems this platform has, and whatever good qualities twitter has; my soul is wounded by the lack of self reflection/intellectual honesty that ends up in the trending/news tabs. I appreciate your offer, this account is temporary though, its nice to get on and like some memes, talk smack and vent until I'm ready for a proper nym.

I've not even used Twitter since I started using Nostr full time. Pretty much abandoned it. Feel like just pinning a tweet telling my followers where to find me on here. And yes exactly. Nostr is actually decentralised. It's a network of nodes without a leader. So the opinions of individuals just don't matter. Lightning on Twitter would be centralised and probably KYC'd. I'm not arguing in favour of that at all, just realistically as a US based company it's logically what I expect them to have to do for anything crypto related did to regulations. Here again the decentralised model of Nostr wins out! Lightning is used for most Bitcoin transactions in El Salvador and is already built into mainstream apps like CashApp. Officially it's a beta but there's no reason Twitter couldn't just integrate it from Block. All they'd have to do is plug in an API. I don't think anyone seriously thinks we're magically immune from issues like spambots. That's why proactive solutions like paid relays and rate limiting and blacklisting public keys already exist and new ideas are being worked on as we speak. Nostr is still very early but you know what... I'd choose it over Twitter no question.

Oh and when you make your main account hmu if you want free access to my relays. I can also offer free NIP-05 verification and Lightning addresses from Xanny.family and BitcoinForThe.Lol if you'd like!

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I love your sentiment and I agree with pre-facebook era vibe - the computer was there to do wild shit and burn CDs...similar to reality TV screwing up MTV, socials and porn have cheapened the average potential. However, you're forgetting about Uncle Sammy...Snowden was over a decade ago...that work has been kept up, expanded, and supercharged. They know when you take a shit, and they have everyone fooled into thinking, "Well as long as I don't commit a crime..." I'm sure the 19th century slaves thought the same just before they got lynched without provocation.

Indeed, the reason I got attracted to Nostr a year or more ago is because of the similarity with NNTP. It is that UseNet experience that I'm trying to recreate with the more-speech app. >From: (Xannyeth) at 04/03/23 04:59:49 on wss://relay.damus.io >--------------- >Outside of large corporations, the internet is and has always been free as in freedom. If you grew up in the pre-Facebook era you know it was a different place back then. > >Part of why I love Nostr so much is that it feels like a return to the internet I grew up with. No corporate overlords, no central control, just communities of people keeping their community alive as long as enough people pay the hosting bill.

Is that why you include the > quotes in your replies? It's a bit noisy for the reader... :)

See Below >From: eykd<-NostReport at 04/25/23 15:01:58 on wss://relay.damus.io >--------------- >Is that why you include the > quotes in your replies? Yes, it allows me to respond to questions and statements in-line. >It's a bit noisy for the reader... :) It can be, so I delete them if I think they are extraneous.

Going by memory, it seems like you always leave them in. :) Might be better to default off, except when you need to do the inline response? Just my 2¢. 2 sats? :D It is interesting though: everyone else here is building Twitter or Facebook, and you're building Usenet. This is the kind of client diversity that Nostr promises: a world of loosely-joined ends. I love it.

I leave them in frequently. I also delete them frequently. It depends upon my mood. And, yes, I agree. The range of applications is enormous. Nostr is not twitter, is not FB, is not UseNet. Nostr is a protocol and a community that is growing and exceling. I'm thrilled to be a part of it.

Now we just need groups! I don't see a NIP for that...

It's a 100% controlled opposition this guy. Spending billions on rockets that explode a few seconds after the launch, while some people are starving... I call that regression.

Running a relay unless on spare parts in your house is quite expensive, especially for one that is being used by everyone. If no one ever pays relays will quickly go offline and now there is no nostr.

What do you think about the blue check actually being an anti spam/bot manager? What has been kicked around as options? Proof of work?

Sure but back in the Usenet days everything was sent in the clear anyway, there was no encryption, so the government didn't need special spying programmes to watch you. They just asked your phone company. Today, especially since Snowden, there is a battle of cat and mouse between the government and encryption. If you wanted to stay anon on Nostr you could run relays through Tor hidden services and access your client only through Tor. Given the most popular relay already has Tor functionality (Nostream) this can be done now. Won't be long until a Tor setting in Nostr apps is the norm either. Until then you can use Orbot. And good luck trying to regulate relays like the government is tryna regulate legacy social media. It's unenforceable. You can run relays from servers in Belize paid for in non-KYC coinjoined BTC and run em through Tor. Yes the gov has levelled up since Snowden for sure but "we can code faster than you can regulate" remains truer than ever.

Is was better back then

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Yes we are, from stardust to nostr 🤙🏼🤭Those genealogy shows make me feel that way too. 🗽

No no no, one large freedom with extra freedom and freedom on half.

Agreed 👍🏼