Relays are only like bitcoin nodes in the bad way, they do not scale.
Unlike Bitcoin, every "node" can censor, and thus every large relay can be censored by the gov.
Relays are just servers. They are no more "decentralized" than traditional web servers, which you can also run yourself.
Nostr has no meaningful comparison to Bitcoin, which entirely different as a system.
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Furthermore, relays fall into the same legal and moderation requirements as any cloud server or social media website. If caught failing to comply, then legal trouble...
Oh no. Im shaking typing this note.
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You probably pay taxes on your bitcoin. Lol
John, you're a smart person. Which Nostr developer hurt you that made you want to have these takes?
O que vocês acham disso? O Nostr é **censurável**?
> Relays são como nós do Bitcoin apenas no sentido negativo: eles não escalam.
> Ao contrário do Bitcoin, cada "nó" pode censurar e, portanto, cada grande relé pode ser censurado pelo governo.
> Relays são apenas servidores. Eles não são mais "descentralizados" do que os servidores web tradicionais, que você também pode gerenciar.
> Nostr não tem comparação significativa com o Bitcoin, que é totalmente diferente como sistema.
Big Bad John
Relays are only like bitcoin nodes in the bad way, they do not scale.
Unlike Bitcoin, every "node" can censor, and thus every large relay can be censored by the gov.
Relays are just servers. They are no more "decentralized" than traditional web servers, which you can also run yourself.
Nostr has no meaningful comparison to Bitcoin, which entirely different as a system.
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People hurt him by not moving to pubky.
Big Bad John
Relays are only like bitcoin nodes in the bad way, they do not scale.
Unlike Bitcoin, every "node" can censor, and thus every large relay can be censored by the gov.
Relays are just servers. They are no more "decentralized" than traditional web servers, which you can also run yourself.
Nostr has no meaningful comparison to Bitcoin, which entirely different as a system.
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How long have you been using nostr?
You sound like you have absolutely no idea how it actually works.
I'm kinda new here but I still have a much better understanding.
You can make your own relay.
You aren't being censored just because some individuals choose not to share your crap.
Censorship resistance in Nostr is definitely a weak form of it but the system seems antifragile given the cryptographically linked userbase. We could use more tools to detect deliverability problems and measure common-neighbor (that we need to share a relay to communicate) efficiency.
Perhaps a DHT plus things like negentropy can help with scaling. There are definitely trade-offs when attempting to handle the bandwidth this sort of system could generate.
for anyone coming across this brainrot thread, know that this is a half truth. because right now, sure, most relays store events but it is mentioned in the protocol specs that relays should be dumb aka only relaying events and never storing them. therefore traditional cloud/social media legal and moderation requirements may not apply.
