Might is right. They have the guns and the cages. Digital freedom is wonderful but unfortunately we are not digital but physical beings.

KYC world incoming.

“KYC + chainanalysis all the things or turn off” sounds like capitulation on financial privacy. Surely there are ways to keep coinjoins and mixers alive

Additional disclaimer that these are just my two cents and I am just a girl with an internet connection, but for extra context: much of the prosecution hinged on tornado cash devs discussing that hackers used tornado cash. At the same time, evidence showed that they were *not happy* about this, and tried their best to stop it where they could. The argument was yet made that: 1) they knew it was happening and 2) their attempts to stop it were insufficient, which to my understanding is the only prerequisite to be charged with 1960B1C 👇

Yeah they'll survive but only on the darknet with pseudonym developers.

I'm sorry to be the one to inform you of this but it is technically impossible to be pseudonymous while being active on the internet when the Five Eyes are after you. Every darknet market ends up busted one way or another. Also INB4 "but satoshi is pseudonymous". The US Gov likely knows who he is, or at least has some very good guesses as to his identity. If they wanted to prosecute him, they would find him. This is terrible advice.

Why aren't you instructing Bitcoiners that they should fight back by running their own coinjoin coprdinator nodes? Surrender is terrible advice.

A good advice for all devs. Privacy devs should leave the US and do not cross the US boarder anymore. Not even a dev with non us citizenship should do that. Cases like Roman Sterlinglov showed it how dangerous it is. As long as the law in US is soooo unlcear stay away. For few month we were thinking about to move our companie from Nevis to US. We are happy that we didn't do it. We also do not offer any services in the US. We also try to avoid US domain registrars.

You don't want to have tainted coins. Use Ligutning or Monero instead, or even ZCash.

Because I'm not retarded

+1

bitcoin is a cuck movement now. keep it for savings but use monero

not true at all. the dark/grey web is only growning and becoming a harder problem

plus writing code vs running a massive drug distribution operation are 2 different things entirely. you're concessions to government are embarrassing for the movement

are you one of the people using an iPhone on here telling people you can't stay pseudonymous online?

Why do you think winning is "retarded"?

@HODL retards still winning so hard.

Not sure what happened to my reply here, I hope it was an error and was never sent vs me getting reported and deleted from relays but from memory I'll summarize. Your defeatist opinion here ensures that this reality will perpetuate. If everybody puts up their arms and goes "oh well" we'll see many worse cases than Samourai Wallet or Tornado Cash. You are also incorrect to say that you cannot be pseudononymous or create software that can't be taken down. Darknet services are incredibly difficult to subpoena having no domain let alone public IP address. They are also very resilient, always popping up to replace each other in case of targeted state attack. This is reality, not advice. Consider why you're even in this movement reporting on these cases, this isn't just arbitrary privacy infringements for everybody: its life or incarceration or death for many.

There are no laws, only Power.

Keep writing ✍️ the good fight 🗡️

Wait I thought Storm *was* convicted of licensing violations? What am I not understanding?

Good question. The 1960 statute which criminalizes unlicensed money transmitting has three parts. The first is for not having a state license, the second is for not having a federal license, but the third - which storm and SW ended up guilty of - actually doesnt have anything to do with licensing; it criminalizes the known transmission of criminal proceeds and was added later (after the patriot act). This makes sense for when, for example, a licensed business transmits criminal proceeds. They wont be charged with a licensing violation bc they *have* a license, but can still be charged with a 1960 violation under that third part. For Storm and SW the government basically said: we say you are *transmitting* money, but we’re not going to pursue the federal or state licensing violation, we’ll only pursue the transmitting criminal proceeds part. Initially they were charged with the federal licensing violation as well, but that was dropped after the blanche memo.

Dumb and wrong but glad you are entitled to your opinion

Thanks for clarifying!

If they had just written the software, i.e. just posted it on GitHub, and they had not *run* the software, they would be ok, right?

Protocol level privacy.

.... Monero Still waiting for your deep dive on continuous state attacks for 8 years and counting.

Do you want to tell that to the monero dev who had his house swatted last year or

No, I don't know whom you are talking about. I am talking about the need to make the ongoing illegal state attacks public. People have the right to defend themselves. Monero's anonymous dev culture is far from being perfect but it's much better than fully captured Bitcoin Core.