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This is what I’m thinking. It’s bizarre.
This is how it works now.
No it doesn't. It uses a secure element, which is just a government backdoor..😆
Apple uses a secure element. Which is just a government back door..😆😁
💜👏👍😆
Could be an opportunity for competition to the App Store.
it's a logic!
A web browser can be used with Snort or Iris to do the same thing – are all web browsers next?
That sucks.
What’s the difference with Reddit Moons on the r/cryptocurrencies sub. Content creators are literally paid in moons for their posts. They do have a monetary value.
And what about the upcoming Twitter coin?
It makes sense; you're using a decentralized app via decentralized operating system. No surprise!!
@Vitor Pamplona @jack @fiatjaf @PlanBCould be a browser app.
@OpenSecret ?
Or you fork it and give apple CuckaDamis and have a side load download available for the uncucked one.
They are scared of our freedom! Especially financial freedom!! Little do they know that we are not going anywhere!!! 🫡
View quoted note →Make the app downloadable from website or downloadable as webapp by passing Apple review
Shit. Can’t say I’m shocked at this ‘re-evaluation’.
It’s important that we fight this.
TWITTER HAS THE SAME FEATURE. Tell them that
Make Damus downloadable from website as webapp
Make Damus app downloadable from website. Easily done. By passing Apple review
Make Damus app downloadable from website. Easily done. By passing Apple review
Make Damus app downloadable from website. Easily done. By passing Apple review
Zaps are just tips
Twitter has tipping option. Telegram has one. AFAIK whatsapp lets you send fiat.
Make #damus without zap, but provide a link elsewhere which upgrades it's software to allow zaps, like with an Assemblyscript or something similar
@jb55It’s not all that uncommon unfortunately.
Worth fighting tho - 99.999% of zaps are definitely not tips for digital content.
Sorry to hear brother. Damus is my favorite app. I’m ready to fight.
Ugh, this sucks man
Sadly, Apple has demonstrated this kind of oligarchy in the past. This was always inevitable, just up to them when to pull the plug. And this is yet again why I will never purchase an Apple product, no matter what kind of cult following they have or how good some apps may be. I won't waste my money on them, or support them.
I would focus on sideloading, consider a web based PWA approach, and diversify into Android with a focus on compatibility with alternate OSes like Graphene. Diversify, and fight them with the market, not by bending the knee and playing the game by their rules. They do this shit because people let them get away with it, yet still support them.
Alternative app stores and side loading will always be here for you bro 🤞🤗
It’s no consolation, but Apple has just admitted that Bitcoin can be used for real purchases.
They want a piece of the pie. It ain't possible to compliance with the in-app purchase scheme, since they don't have a lightning implementation to get their cut. At least they should understand that technology behind Damus and lightning network. #[1]
This is so crappy. I’m sorry.
Will always support you, Damus devs, and Nostr devs in general as y’all try to empower others.
💜
C'est fou leurs règles qu'en sera t-il pour Améthyste !?
Ne pas faire confiance avec ses géants, de plus pactiseent avec les grands leaders le coût des amendes pour l'utilisation des données n'est rien pour eux il serait temps dans cette nouvelle ère des plateformes décentralisées qu'il y ait une autonomie réelle.
Idk, I haven't followed them closely
Ce serait bien et enfin quitter Google et Apple leurs monopoles et les règles d'entente cordiale (affaire) avec les Etats me semblent plus contradictoires aux regards de l'objectif d'une vraie decentralisatration
Is there anything we can do to help?
#Bitcoin and #Nostr were born to be attacked.
Nothing can stop free open-source permissionless protocol.
Every attack makes #Bitcoin and #Nostr stronger.
🧡💜
View quoted note →Degoogled phone is the way...
View quoted note →Vous atteler tous ceux qui ont de la Technologie à créer des plateformes de téléchargement d'apps que nous ne téléchargeront plus de ces grands qui ont le monopole
Très compliqué c'est qu'en cela l'EU se bat pour qu'on dépende pas systématiquement de Google Apple
I've never owned Apples. Thank god.
Fight it! I’m pretty sure the person reviewing the app must be confused about zaps and Nostr. The 3.1.1 rule should not apply here.
I don't even understand how people still buy and use apple. Android is clearly superior 😤
Just buy an android . You'll never go back!
Why not just copy Twitters General Tipping policy and call it a day? You can setup Strike lightning on Twitter and keep 100%. There is a tax disclaimer to save face, but there are probably reasonable options.
View quoted note →They can't let go, they feel loyal to the brand 🤦
So I wonder...will this extend to
@Openvibe as well?
What will be the solution? Just side load the app?
We live in wild times.
Un monde de paradoxes
La bonne question qu'il faut absolument mettre sur la table afin de trouver des solutions alternatives dans lesquelles on retrouverait une réelle décentralisation
Vous n'êtes pas le seul anti apple depuis les premières présentations de leurs produits par Steve Jobs sans oublier l'obsolence de leurs produits pour laquelle il a fallu encore à l'EU se démène pour créer une loi en ce sens, j'ignore si c'est le cas aux USA, la dernière concernait leur câble
Selon le message initial de Will oui
Me being an Android user since 2010....
"Oof. That's booty."
View quoted note →Remove iPhone from your life
Monopole tout simplement
Damnit we were so close to convincing you 😂
Sérieusement sauf s'ils suivent le même chemin que leur compère
Cela fait partie des choses pour lesquelles je me bats .
Apple can go straight to hell with their centralized bullshit!
F apple 💩
Ces deux Jack et tant d'autres se devraient de se battre pour pouvoir créér des supports de téléchargements qui dépendront plus de Google et d'Apple sinon les principes réels de plateformes décentralisées n'auront de sens.
#pwa came after app stores, so I guess that's why. like #Ipv4
Pas d"avocats d'Apple si j'ai bien compris votre note , par exemple en France, ce sont plutôt des juristes spécialisés dans ce domaine spécifique qui travaillent à la Commission Nationale de l'information et des Libertés née en 78 qui pourraient vous informer et vous défendre sur ces sociétés ou même contre l'Etat lorsqu'il abuse de son pouvoir. Mais je ne pense pas ce type de structure existent ailleurs dans le Monde . Néanmoins les informations sont accessibles en ligne et peuvent être aidant dans telle situation
Let's do it! Zaps for Apps™
Je l'ai répété plus d'une fois, travailler sur la vraie autonomie des apps si l'on concoit une décentralisation totale
Vous allez voir chez Google ils vont faire pareils jusqu'à ce que le Bitcoin soit enfin d'usage à travers le Monde
Zaps are not being conducted over their platform. They are being conducted over your ISP and Nistr platform.
This is why you buy Android, Use Linux on your PC. Freedom and open source 😍
To be honest, I knew this would happen. 🙄
View quoted note →Moi aussi depuis son Apple 1 et 2, il a fallu des années pour que l'EU arrive à lui faire des câbles standards pas spécialement Apple la dernière *loi influencer du 10 Juin 2023+ va elle aussi créer son effet qui se serait catastrophique pour les personnes et les plateformes décentralisées ou non des *empêcheurs de tourner en rond= dégoûtée par cette notion de *Liberté* contrôlée
N'irions pas jusque là
Demain je parie vous vous vous rendrez compte que c'est pareil chez Google
So can’t you just include that there are optional in app purchases through a tip method on the app description?
Absolument
yup
Savez vous qu'une loi influencer a été pondu au 1O juin 23' et vous allez voir elle va être validee un peu partout , le premier qui l'a créé est le Pays de la liberté égalité fraternité que vous soyez sur Méta, et ses outils, Tic Tok Damus, Nostr ils vont vous débusquer , nostr a bien intégré les publicitaires, lesquelles vont devoir justifier les moyens qu'ils déploient et pour qui et combien et forcément cela aurait des incidences sur les sats (Bitcoin ) qi
qui rendrait la décentralisation obsolète
Is this also the case for Plebstr
@Matej 🐙?
7 péchés capitaux à en y regarder de plus près
Noone zapped when they were only on profiles
Calling #[2]‘s marketplace. How can we support apps and make them work inside the Nostr ecosystem? Side load them as webapps or something? At least until we find a suitable repository replacement.
I don’t understand the technical differences in being able to load apps directly from websites on MacOS, but not on iOS.
En fait dans l'UE le pays qui crée de plus en plus des lois les plus liberticides c'est la France , au cours des 35 derrières années elles deviennent quasiment européennes puis infine internationales MICA, DSA, RGPD ..la dernière Loi Influencer et actuellement ça fonctionne très bien parce que la quasi-totalité des Etats à travers sont endettés, vivent à crédit pour leur fonctionnement ils ont besoin de rechercher ds niches et de suivre toute sorte de revenu à taxer
La frime pour certains
👿 je sais
Sorry to see this
@jb55. Reading the message it’s like full of BS and really pissed me off…
Can’t we show that Damus still isn’t the one sending the money, but is just asking another app to send money?
比特币本质上是一串信息流，美国联邦宪法第一修正案规定美国公民都享有言论自由。
苹果公司禁止Sats信息流传播的行为违宪。
Apple would have an easier time mining their own bitcoin instead of taxing you. Tap tap, next zap, fuck all opps #nostr #damus
I haven't been an Apple user for over a decade after they butchered Final Cut and when jailbreaking got a lot more difficult - switched from iPhone and Mac at the time and was more than happy to never look back. Looks like they're back to their old tricks.
Could this be the start of mass Bitcoin app takedowns? Maybe. At least on Android you can sideload or use fdroid. Might be a lot more Android users coming over in the next couple years if this nonsense keeps happening.
I sincerely hope a big win of some kind can come from this. Not sure what that looks like, but I have faith in
@jb55's passion and drive!
View quoted note →thats actually bs.
It can't because I don't download amethyst through the app store. And I get the latest updates when available using obatanium
Je sais bien Emily du fait de mon secteur d'activités et formations, j'ai dû pour après tester tant de plateformes, au regard des textes,des lois, des deals, et accords divers et variés j'ai dû complètement changer ma bio puisque nul ne respectent les principes universels, et surtout la liberté et d'entreprendre, néanmoins je préserve ce droit qui est mien, d'informer, sensibiliser, prévenir sur les risques, pour cela il est pregnant d'actualiser de nous former voire voire nous tout le long de nos divers parcours de vie socioprofessionnelle d'être à jour tout le temps sur les éléments clés 'relatifs en termes de législation, et d'accords à partir du moment qu'ils nous concernent tous ou enfreignent, contraignent les droits et liberté de tout individu
Freedom and Apple unfortunately can’t be in the same sentence
@jb55 This seems to have been triggered (perhaps just coincidence) by the OnlyZaps feature. Do you believe that is the feature they are asking to be removed or do you think they are asking for you to remove the entire ability to Zap.
Previous opinion?
This is what I’m thinking too. I’m 90% sure I remember reading that 3rd party app stores were going to be coming to iOS at I think some point this year due to EU laws. Surely zaps can be temporarily disabled until then?
PWA when?
Could zaps be temporally disabled until 3rd party AppStores officially come to iOS?
There was a point I understood Apple as the choice for people who did not want to be able to fuck up their devices. The one I got from my grandma. Android was there for those of us who wanted and appreciated the choices.
But Apple’s stewardship for those individuals is getting questionable.
You should argue this would be like removing a web browser from the App Store because the web can be used to sell things not directly through the Apple Store.
RIGHT???
Are 3rd party app stores ever gonna come to ios? Im doubtful.
Or eBay. OfferUp. Facebook. Mercari. Alibaba. Amazon. LetGo.
Would I still be able to use the Damus app on my phone?
They have to. Last I read Apple is being forced by EU to add USB-C to all devices and also allow users to make the choice to install 3rd Party AppStores if they want to.
Here is my suggestion:
Create a customized version without the zaps feature and keep it on App store. People who want to evade censorship may still use it.
Publish the full version on damus homepage so that experienced bitcoin users can side-load it.
Maybe the zap button could open the profile page in a modal or something
You should also argue that your app doesn’t make any payments, it literally **sends a link** to a wallet app.
If you want to help sue over it I have a lawyer friend who might be up for that. Cypherpunks sured the Feds. Could be fun 🤣
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😢
LFG!
I guess apple is removing Damus from the app store in two weeks.
View quoted note →The monopoly lives on. Corporate tech is absolute garbage.
This is a review on the app store version which doesn’t have one tap zaps
Totally. Who wants to get paid by their readers for quality content anyways?
I was zapped for the first time few days ago for helping a user fix his issue with the Strike app and his bank account, an issue that I also had before. It was the equivalent to $1 but THE FEELING I got that I was paid for helping a specific person and not a corporation (which is what my fiat work “does”) was SO POWERFUL that I can understand this was going to be fought by corporations.
#[1] has demonstrated that one person only can replace all the useless non-sense bullshit jobs that corporations create just because they have so much money they need to spend.
This is just the beginning of a new era, “then they fight you” is definitely here.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
Thanks, I think still no autozaps in the AppStore version though
I have no idea. They seem to be implying the tip (zap) feature in general is unacceptable
Sue sue sue.
Please talk it through with them Will.
They seem to specify where tips are connected to receiving digital content.
But I don’t really follow that, because you already received the content and all the content here is open source!
There are no paywalls anywhere in Damus.
So the zap and the receiving of content not really connected?
You can't side load apps on iPhone can you??
Logic and reason is never involved in app the review process. Apparently this happening between app reviews is pretty rare as far as I am told.
The content is already available before you can zap it
We love you will!!!!
So, don't get your apps from the apps store. And maybe don't restrict yourself to a centralized platform such as Apple.
I'm not an Apple user but I'm sure you can at least do that in developer mode.
On Android we have good alternatives outside the browser space. But IOS is doomed, if someone doesn't globally (non only EU) force Apple to permit the apps' sideload.
If you use electronics controlled by others, it's only a matter of time before they use it to control you. Bitcoiners need to stop reacting to things like this and act ahead of time. Use Graphene.
So does Apple confirm that it considers BTC as a valid payment medium? Does Apple accept BTC over lightning? What’s it’s address?Is it possible to arrange for anyone explicitly using Damus app to sell digital content over Nostr to pay the apple tax in sats to Apple? (Whether one thinks the tax is fair or not).
Nice App btw.
You don't own that fancy new iPhone you bought, Apple does along with various governments. It works for them, not you.
I’m surprised they even allowed zaps in the first place. This sucks. First Twitter, then Reddit, now this 😢
PWA is the only way to go at this point.
I don’t understand how crypto wallets like #[2] are exempt from this rule.
#[2]
This is 100% not ok, Apple should not have this power against creators and developers.
That’s horrible!
Hense…. #fuckappl
#damusstrong
#willstrong
#jb55strong
Exactly, nothing is paywalled so I’m not sure how zaps are connected to receiving any content?
All content is available to everyone all the time, irrespective of any zaps.
#[2] isn’t that sad?
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During the height of the covid hysteria Apple pulled this move on Parler, one of the places where you could get uncensored information and that was gaining traction
They want their cut. Fuck’em, remove zaps and put a QR code up instead.
just do a 30% split to their lightning node 😑
still too much of a hurdle :/
Digital Markets Act compliance when?
This could never happen with my #GrapheneOS phone. 🤙
View quoted note →yes to free hardware !
How can we help? 🙄
I mean, banking apps also facilitate payments
Oh wow. This is indeed a watershed moment. Pay attention everyone. This is the full "and then they fight you" moment.
View quoted note →🤣
No, I came from Android, because I’ve always had problems with it.
But I will give it another try …
Wait, I thought #bitcoin wasn't money
Nice find. Thank you.
@jb55 @jack
What of electronic content would be buying the users to time to generate content and then use that to get zapping for their entertainment?!
🤔
Was curious about this one too.
See, neither the government nor fruity loops can object to creating value.
🤔
shame
is only fear what they can't control
same shit
Why isn’t this seen like Venmo? You aren’t buying anything. Just sending some value. Venmo and PayPal are fine. Zaps are the same.
Make Damus downloadable webapp like this one. By passing Apple review
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hi
@npub1tsgw...htk4 can you help? xD
Hi @38c3c53e, I'd be happy to help! What do you need assistance with?
"Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died.
As Chicago Mayor Harold Washington said of the corrupt former Mayor Daley, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." Nobody deserves to have to die - not Jobs, not Mr. Bill, not even people guilty of bigger evils than theirs. But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.
Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be less effective."
2011: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman
#[1] - sorry to hear. As #[2] often says - this is a reflection/perfect example of rent seeking behaviour, and value extraction, as opposed to genuinely creating value (what you are so nobly doing with Damus).
Keep fighting the good fight, we will win in the end 🙌🚀
until such sites are blocked too, for being too free
What the hell??? 🤔 Why the war on content creators? #creatoreconomy has arrived. 😈
Slightly unpopular opinion but the web is and always will be the only place to resist the extra layers of sensorship from companies ( DNS not included ofcourse ). Thank you guys for this client hope to see a web version of it! 🔥
Yikes ….I just set up Damus on my iPad …
It's Apple. I hate them. (I was an Apple user from 2006 to 2021.)
Apple and Nintendo have exactly one thing in common: If it doesn't profit them, it shall be gone. If they can't monetize it, it must be banned.
I really hoped Damus would stay on iOS but... Hey, EU might have their way and Damus can be one of the best sideloading apps.
I find it amazingly fast. Unbelievable!
But I can't use the search function and couldn't mention guys.
Any help from @Dashu?
It is the Apple dictatorship. If we are here, in Nostr, it is because we love democracy and freedom ⚡
can you build for android?
We have an android version we just need to fix one bug before we release it
LFG
There’s only one bug 🐛? Suspicious… lol
Fiat culture. Smh.
