All valid - it's just that bitcoin is a very heavy topic of convo in these early days and while we're really into it, it's still super fringe for most folks.

I don’t find that a bad thing at all. Who should decide which topics are in the spotlight on a social network besides the users that are using it? I’m also fully in favor of users branching out into other interests and building those communities. I just don’t feel that one precludes the other, but people make it sound like it does.

Speaking of other topics. Just saw your reply about Stemstr. Can’t wait to try it. I play acoustic guitar and sing and write. Excited to see how that fits with what others are creating.

You share what feels right and the community will do what they do! You might be surprised what happens to what you share ☺️

Awesome 🔥💜

What is this Stemstr you refer to?

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For those folk where the topic of #bitcoin is fringe then having a decentralised communication protocol is even more fringe. If folks can’t see why we need to decentralise money - then generally decentralising data makes even less sense. If a seed phrase and 1 hardware wallet is considered “hard” - how on earth would an average person back up all their personal data from all different sites. There aren’t many downsides to #nostr growth being tied to #bitcoin. Yes some people get “turned away”. Many of these people are tourists anyway and by leaving never understand why #nostr or why #bitcoin. #nostr is still new and wanting it to be for everyone is a noble goal but one that is too idealistic. The reason why there’s a lot of #bitcoiners on here is because we get why #nostr is important in the first place. Without that understanding a centralised platform is much more convenient. Framing this differently. In my belief at this point #bitcoin isn’t even fringe. It’s on TV, in Davos, in Congress, SEC, big Investment Banks write essays about it, other governments globally talk about it almost daily. On top of that all the learning material is widely available now and is much better than it use to be with some excellent pieces on the subject. The price is pretty ridiculously high as well. Everyone’s obsessed with how it has “crashed” but it’s hovering over $20k. That’s insane. #bitcoin is here staring these people in the face. If there’s no need for #bitcoin then there’s no need for #nostr because it was a #bitcoin lightning developer who had the idea for it and because he was a #bitcoin lightning developer had the sanity to use #bitcoin as the money layer. If this was built by a developer who didn’t believe in #bitcoin we would have had a very different protocol. It’s the #bitcoin thinking that got us here in the first place therefore I see them growing together and there’s no need for #nostr to shoot ahead of #bitcoin adoption. The two will grow together. Low time preference.

noah pretending they are oracle, fringe.

"There aren’t many downsides to #nostr growth being tied to #bitcoin" Yes there is. There's a very strong possibility that p2p communications combined with p2p monetization will form centralized siloed communities governed by Confirmation Bias. This could lead to information poor spaces between silos and narrow cult thinking becoming dominant. Notice the information centralization on Bitcoin Twitter. We have "freedom maximalists" and/or "Bitcoin maximalists" pushing keto, non seed oil, austrian and ancap bs economics, as if they are club entry requirements. The same maxis that are suddenly silent with women losing sovereignty over their own bodies or have nothing to say about child deaths at school. They built a monetized base for themselves by attracting similar minded people - now they are in thought prisons because to dare to be different means less income for their centralized social media business model. I'm all for decentralized networks and their promise of free and open communication but lets not kid ourselves of the possible hazards and unforseen outcomes

No need to pretend

We have "freedom maximalists" and/or "Bitcoin maximalists" - These are generalised terms and a lot of larpers anyway. A lot of so called Bitcoin maximalists are that even into Lightning much less #Nostr. Women losing sovereignty and gun violence in schools is the current Left vs. Right debate that in reality doesn’t have anything to do with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is technically not political but in America (I’m not American) has become a political debate with yes more right leaning people in favour of it. Just because that’s the case this doesn’t link Bitcoin to guns or anti abortion these things are not related to Bitcoin. We need to take our “American political glasses off” here. Your statement “now they are in thought prisons because to dare to be different means less income for their centralized social media business model” You’re often referring to your perception on things on social media. Social media does not reflect real life but the extremes. There are a lot of more moderate or even silent bitcoin holders out there who simply want to hold on to new money technology as they cannot fully trust the current state / system they live in anymore.