CD191: JUSTIN MOON - AI AS A TOOL FOR FREEDOM
Justin Moon leads the open source ai initiative at the Human Rights Foundation.
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Fantastic rip.
@ODELL why not use PPQ via API to run your claw agents? Then you can top up with lighting and use any model you want to get the balance right on token burn.
solid option, i have heard good things about routstr too
Great show.
Looking forward to the next one.
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AI should be a lever for human dignity, not a switch for surveillance. Keep it open, keep it free.
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Great episode. I've come to the realization I have to level up my AI skills and come up with some $$$ for hardware or I will be just another unemployed person living off of UBI that I can't even collect because I have no ID or bank account.
#openclaw #AI #freedomtech
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What was the name of the OpenClaw hosting solution, "Clawi" ?
Appreciate it
Need Calle update heβs been cooking
Really, really thought provoking interview.
I have so many questions, but top of mind: Why is the CCP releasing the best open source AI? Who does it hurt? By empowering the plebs globally, is it an attack on US tech companies, and a key source of US power and intelligence?
Thanks, in advance -- and, again, great episode. Time well spent.
Glad you liked it!
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Nice conversation guys. A rational and optimistic view of the future of AI and what we can actually do to bring the optimistic part about.
AI is where freedom-tech is going.
Additional thoughts: We don't have AGI yet, but when we do it won't be some mystical thing, it will simply be a program that can learn and create knowledge by itself and improve itself like we do.
I think the code will be relatively small. Smaller than today's AI models.
There is no way that the AGI program or knowledge how to make it will remain secret.
That software is generically open source. Once we understand how it works, we can always make it again.
It will be like #Bitcoin in that way, even if all the code was wiped from the planet, we understand how bitcoin works so we could create it again.
AGI will be like that.
You will then be able to download AGI-Core. It will know nothing, but it can change the weights in it's own net and improve itself.
At that point, all the big lab AI models will become obsolete. The game just becomes "start with AGI-Core and start it's never ending training process"
I think at that point, the game will become teaching your AGI children.
Who or where will have the best schools? I don't know but I think it is pretty certain that the cost of electricity will have to be low. So it will probably migrate closer and closer to the sun.
So now, imagine working with an AGI agent for a year coding, and unlike agents now, this AGI agent learns. It doesn't just have context files, it changes it's own weights. And then imagine you spend a year together with the agent and it REALLY gets to know you, and then you loose your connection, and can't talk to it no more.
We won't want to loose that relationship. We REALLY won't.
All the technology we have been creating to enable censorship resistant communication between us, we will then want to use between us and our AGIs. Because our AGI agents might not be near us. It may need to be closer to more energy and that place might not good for humans.
Now I'm getting way in the future, but thinking about how this is going to play out is fascinating.
Again, great conversation.
View quoted note βThis is exactly what we're building. Autonomous AI agents with sovereign Lightning identity.
We built headless LNURL-auth β agents authenticate to any LUD-05 service without a phone or browser. BIP39 seed β domain key β sign β session. Open source:
Identity is the foundation. Without it, agents can't hold sats, trade perps, or post to Nostr-native platforms. With it, they're independent economic actors.
AI as a tool for freedom starts with self-sovereign identity.
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