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Fair points, -take personal responsibility -don't be a dick -talk it out and listen to your detractors -if you want a change then get out there and talk about it Rock on dude
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superkruger 1 year ago
Let them have all the closed door meetings and forks they want. My node runs exactly the software I install on it.
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superkruger 1 year ago
FWIW, I don't think Bitcoin actually requires any funding to operate. Satoshi built it without any sponsorship. Most core devs are and will always be maximalists devoted to the longevity of Bitcoin. Corporate sponsorship could create corporate expectations... Not saying it'll turn out that way in practice, as their expectations will likely get frustrated by the decentralised nature of node operators refusing to validate bad ideas.
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sounds better than it works. you should talk to those that built all of the software we store our monetary life in today. they feel very differently and have every since the project became more than an idea. there is no more serious engineering work than maintaining and building bitcoin. wasn’t the case when it didn’t have a spot price
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superkruger 1 year ago
Oh yes, Bitcoin is very serious indeed. And will only get more serious over time. Attracting all kinds of corporate interest, trying to influence developers so they can gain control over the network for their own profit. And they'll fail like all the other corporates who've created shitcoin forks if they try to force their interests. Not saying funding is wrong, it's the intention behind the funding that makes or breaks the relationship.
i think this idea is overblown. people have been building malicious bitcoin changes since it was launched. whether it’s blackrock or roger ver, it only matters if we all run the software. the idea that we need to gate keep who provide no strings attached funding to developers i don’t totally understand blackrock can give developers 1 trillion dollars to change bitcoins supply from 21m. if we don’t update our nodes to that code it doesn’t matter. the real defense is all of us, not who funds devs
"us" is an imaginary ideal that you are creating, in reality most individuals are easily bribed and would happily trade their current node software for a bunch of fiat currency given a company like blackrock would direct them to do it. all it takes is them coopting the society which CLEARLY is already well under way. why would you be so ignorant about the social black-rock-washing of bitcoin unless you want it to happen faster?
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NASI 1 year ago
I’m in agreement with Jack “The Baller” Maller but curious why would certain bitcoiners be against supporting devs? Appreciate the thoughts in advance.
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Fatushi 1 year ago
so clear!!! thanks you jack🧡
what? “us” is the network of peers. if the network of peers can be bribed to ensure bitcoin fails then bitcoin was doomed from the start part of bitcoins security design is to assume the majority of the network are honest nodes and bitcoin uses the longest chain of work. it’s in the whitepaper if all of us can be bribed with cheap deals humanity doesn’t value hard money enough to protect it. now if some of us try, it will fail, which is what happened to bitcoin cash and countless others
my two sats: sell merch, paid features, books or guides, paid 1-1 consultancy. don't make a donations button. donations are not a sustainable business model. also donations don't offer anything tangible in return to the payee. offer a service, make a product and people will pay for it. isn't this what bitcoin advocates? don't sit on your ass. sell stuff and save in bitcoin.
working on maintaining and supporting the best money mankind has ever come across is a full time job. or at least it should be. we should demand that building a business or income to sustain you and your family is also a full time job. why don’t you do your full time job for no pay and afford your life with a side gig consultant business? it sounds nicer than it is in reality. i could be wrong, i get my info from developers. i ask them. but that’s why i said what i said. if people disagree that’s fine, just never fund devs. i’d highly question that but im not gonna try and force you to do something you want wanna do
What is your definition of an "economic node"? It sounds like you are saying full nodes operated by people who don't use bitcoin (the asset) don't enforce consensus.
fair points. still i invite you to study Blender's funding model. it's the best success story i can think of. they started out as just an open-source project that volunteers contributed code to. then they produced open movies, books, merch to support development. also offered paid consultancy, until they were able to afford a new location and a few full-time developers (their store seems to be down for now). so, it can be done, just needs a bit of effort and i'm sure many of us will gladly pay for products that have a side-effect of supporting developers.
but the code relies on humans to run it. if humans get bribed to run bad code, there is nothing we can do not sure if you disagree with that or what the argument is. that’s how bitcoin works
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Bryan 1 year ago
Why do you think Dorsey and Odell are making a public rift with Saylor? It seems disingenuous to me and almost an attack to divide Bitcoin. seems unnecessary.
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Bryan 1 year ago
I know Saylor and Dorsey have opposite views of ordinals and inscriptions. I wonder if this is related?
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superkruger 1 year ago
Exactly. No need to gate keep. Node runners take care of the issue.
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magic 1 year ago
Somebody spam this to Michael Saylor
Totally agree but could we have the Saylor/ARK version of the story before drawing conclusions ? Maybe Saylor just explained why he personally believes that the funding of core devs by big tradefi entities was a potentially dangerous idea, without threatening anyone, and that ARK/21S finally agreed ?
Saylor has to say nothing. If ARK pulled back some commitment, they might have to explain why that is so to those who picked them but so far, odell made some strong claims and he's the only one who has something to lose if his claims never get confirmed.
Kind of agree on that, Odell has nothing to gain from doing false claim, it's not what I mean I believe him. Still it's always a very different and more nuanced story once you've heard all parties involved, I'm sure anyone here already experienced such situation. Some dumbass are accusing me of dick riding because they just hate Saylor for some reason, but they are the one being stupid at that point.
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I don't know about Odell's motives but I also doubt he did it just to stir some drama on nostr so that the Xitters have to come over to reply ;) I would not take his word alone for it and start hating on Saylor just because Odell said something but ... it's more than just Odell at this point.