whats your go to machine ?

Because they're expensive I would assume.

Damn right. They're beautiful prisons. But anything else running Linux is better than a Mac.

you spelled butt wrong.

Thinking about one of these instead of a macbook pro

Laptops

never again

Nothing wrong with them except the OS

Thanks a lot for writing this. Seems a great description to macs for me: "A beautiful prison"

I bought a flippin’ Mac Pro in 2011 instead of BTC. Still roaring like a Ferrari after 14 years and the inside looks amazing. Had to reformat it on the way though plus adding some ram module but the old versions are built to last forever.

Great battery life tho…

YES #YESTR

Everyone ik that bought one hated it

Welp, I suddenly lost my enthusiasm for it :)

Which substrate would you use instead?

i like framework

But muh apple silicon! It’s unironically so much better, viz. performance and battery life.

Battery life sure, but the rest of it sucks. Track pad is garbage, being made of metal sucks, macos is terrible ux

Its a Unix system with the usability that your grandmother can use. The year of the linux desktop crowd has been trying that for the last 3 decades.

It's legit unusable though. You can't go to a folder without memorizing a hot key

How is it a prison? I use MacOS without an Apple account, block all call-home requests, install whatever I want. What would be a comparable hardware (ARM arch) and OS to replace it? That doesn't feel cheap and just works?

correct. absolutely terrible desktop environment

Nah I hate the hardware, track pad can't keep up with me, being made of metal makes me have to turn up my ac because it gets too cold to touch.

I mainly use terminal on macOS. The open command is the equivalent of xdg-open.

Ty

They lack support for the Linux kernel. And when you accept to run MacOS, you directly accept their restrictions on what settings you are allowed to change and which not. I think the comparison is really not to compare MacOS as bad compared with Windows. But rather with Linux, where the user is the absolut master of the system. I think most PC users know, that their hardware is absolutly awesome. I think there is no comparable battery-consumption with this high performance on the market as the newest mac computers and laptops. And probably this is why many would really like to use their hardware. But for the closed software approach they are choosing, many freedom maxis are unhappy, to use the best hardware, when it comes with shortage of user freedom to change everything.

Isn't this exactly the reason people are frustrated. It is the company to deliver the best hardware. So theoretically it would be ideal to run a Linux system on it. But apple is not pushing blobs for their hardware into the Linux kernel. For this all development for Linux on mac is very time consuming reverse engineering, that is not always clear someone is happy to invest this time. And when they do, first releases come very late after the product launch. Or rather close to the next product launch.

Hardware IDK that's up to you. A nice Thinkpad rarely disappoints. Usually one of the best choices. Or Dell XPS, HP Spectre, something else that matches your taste. OS: there plenty of really slick ones. At the very least try Fedora Linux with the Gnome desktop. You could be surprised.

The problem of a prison often is not, that it is insecure. The problem is rather that you do not get out and therefore have a lack of freedom. MacOS lacks the freedom to tweak the system. Since it is all closed source a user has no other opportunity, but to trust apple in making it private and secure. When you are not ok, with a decision of some settings, the look of the desktop or whatever, one has no real solution to change this. With the use of software I just really do not know. Maby as you say, one can also install software from Github to mac without problem. I assume you know this better than I know. But in the essence. I think it is the lack of changing the system however you want to, since the code is not open to look at it, to change it, to compile it and distribute it to other people.

I used Fedora with Gnome many times, it's quite nice actually. I recall a major pain was something related to how moving files from/to the Desktop works (the UX there is broken) and this is a great example @freemymind 🇨🇭 of something that I would've liked to change but is not possible, even in an open system. It would take months to research, understand, recompile, etc - let's be real no one has time for this. There are plenty other "glitches" like these. MacOS on the other hand is (and feels) solid AF. As for hardware, I will not buy any non-ARM ever again (my latest laptop with a powerful Intel processor is still slow and noisy compared to a Mac). I tried Asahi Linux (on Fedora too) which is fast and silent, but lacks important features like connecting an external display.

I totally agree, that most tweaks do not come without investment. Freedom is rarely for those who search commodity. These are rather contrary concepts. But I personally really like about opensource projects, that they usually converge towards compatibility, privacy and security, while lacking features. Proprietary solutions on the other side are focused on delivering many features, making everything easy to use, while the business model usually incentivizes them to sell valuable user data, make very useful features as incompatible as possible with competitors and to divest security to stay competitive without wasting unnecessary resources in it. This is why I feel so much better using opensource software wherever possible. Maby they lack features, maby not everything works fine. But at least it is highly probable that with enough developers working on a project, that telemetry is minimized to a bare minimum or even eliminated. And when it is not, people make it transparent. So with open source I am very likely to install what I want to install. And with closed source I can only trust the developers, they built the product with best intentions. Proof can never be deilvered until the opposite is shown to the public.

I’m going to switch to a Framework laptop 16” after 15+ years working on a Mac Macs are getting worse each year 💯 especially the OS

All my work computers are MacBooks and all my personally computers are old cobbled together thinkpads. So my comparison experience isn’t exactly fair. What’s your go-to example of a better laptop experience? I’m genuinely curious since all my macs are new and my non macs are like 5+ years old.

Think pad is goat imo