He did his job as a puppet perfectly. If he had stepped out of line, he would’ve been taken out instantly —either by his own Ukrainian neo-Nazis or his American handlers, who would, of course, blame Putin. And everyone would’ve believed it. Funny to hear him called the "worst" considering all that. He’s actually one of the best clowns in big politics.

I must’ve missed the part where Ukrainians launched a full-scale invasion into Russia.

The east of the former Ukraine is the territory of Russia. Besides military operations in the territories he lost, Zelensky’s troops also invaded the Kursk region. Between refusing to withdraw troops from the east of what used to be Ukraine, the water blockade and attacks on Crimea, and now the invasion of the Kursk region, it’s clear that Zelensky is waging war against Russia. But obviously, he would never have done any of this without U.S. approval. That’s why Trump isn’t being fair to him — he knows full well that if Zelensky had ever said no to the U.S., they would have had him taken out. And if anyone should understand that, it’s Trump, considering there have been attempts on his own life.

Jewlinsky is on cocaine and you are too. Ukrainians are stupid, fed to a war machine you can't beat. No elections, kidnapping citizens, criminalizing religion, and Nazis. You'll be the poorest nation in Europe and you retards deserve it.

Pray tell, how did the “east of the former Ukraine” became “territory of Russia”? Didn’t it, by chance, have something to do with a FULL SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE BY RUSSIA !?

This territory was never Ukrainian to begin with; it was made Ukrainian in the Soviet Union, and it was obvious that the legacy of the bloody Soviet regime required revision. This, in fact, began after the 2014 coup d'état in Ukraine organized by the CIA.

Putin must be a CIA stooge then. Wasn’t it him who forced Poroshenko to nix the EU Association agreement and brought people onto the streets? Sure, CIA likely got involved to perpetuate maidan. But if my government turned out to be Putin-****suckers, I wouldn’t particularly care about who pays for the tea. Btw, is CIA paying for Georgians to go to streets right as we speak too? Are they in the room with us right now?

Of course. The fact that Putin is a "Westernizer" is beyond doubt. Germans are more important to him than Russians. He doesn't work at the CIA, but they understand each other. The CIA is obligated to use all communication mechanisms that Snowden uses. They are constantly monitoring him. So yes, CIA agents are right here in the same room with us, if Nostr can be considered a room. You can say hi to them, they monitor all messages from public relays.

But that doesn’t cut it. If you say that CIA instigated maidan, it must mean there was a phone call where someone with a thick American accent called Putin, and said something along the lines of: “Hey Vlad, we have a situation. We really want to get rid of Poroshenko, and this is a perfect moment to do this, he just signed an EU Association agreement. So can you call him “on the carpet”, and explain the consequences such that he’d nix it, and we have a pretext for a nice little revolution there.” That’s some 4D chess there. I think it’s much simpler. The Ozero ОПГ just can’t have anything resembling rule of law or actual democracy anywhere near their “sphere of influence”, especially in a culturally close nation like Ukraine, lest Russians get any ideas. And those pesky EU people are known to push these things wherever their dirty paws touch. So in gets called Poroshenko, gets a briefing, nixes the EU Association agreement, people understandably get mad about this, put their CIA-sponsored cooking pots on their heads, and overthrow the dipshit stooge. In comes Putin, chooses plan C “annexation of Crimea” to punish Ukrainians for their disobedience (but also, can’t have the Sevastopol base on Western-aligned land). And… This is likely where it was supposed to end, for time being at least. But no, fucking Strelkov gets a divine vision of how he can become saint Igorj the Breaker of Chains, and ‘free’ ‘Novorossiya’ from those pesky Ukrainians, takes initiative, and goes for Slovyansk. Everyone else then plays along, hey, maybe it does work out. And the thing is, none of this actually matters. Because Russia recognised Ukrainian independence in 1991 with the borders that the Soviet republic had. There’s a reason why Südtirol is still Italy, and they don’t even discuss it. Because doing so opens the kind of Pandora’s box that we’re witnessing wide open for three years now.

Sorry, I mixed up the chocolate man with Yanukovich.

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That’s all well and good, but people who like to blame everything on either Putin or the CIA/deep state tend to overlook the fact that there were real expectations among the people too. Take Maidan, for example — sure, maybe the CIA played a role in organizing it, but it didn’t just come out of nowhere. Tension had been building in society for years. It’s the same with Ukraine now. No matter how Putin is using the situation to his advantage, the Russian people had questions about that country as far back as ’91 — but back then, there was no one to ask. In fact, it was Russia that formally set Ukraine’s modern borders without the slightest regard for its own interests, only for the interests of the elites. So, sooner or later, that was bound to lead to a military conflict. Honestly, even in American video games from the ’90s, it wasn’t uncommon to see storylines where Moscow and Kyiv were at war. This was all pretty obvious long before anyone had even heard of Putin.

yup, that's why what i'm doing with making sovereign relays for affinity groups and businesses is so misunderstood by most of those following their program

this is straight byzantine shit tho and it's all ultimately arguing about the fencelines between one ruling class's cash crop and another, isn't it? you slavs are quite funny with how elaborate and dramatic you make it all sound, it's quite entertaining, but really, it's just ruling class having a tiff, and everything else is just part of their way of making you think it's something much more important than a bunch of plutocrats disagreeing

I don't think this is some special trait of Slavs, it's more characteristic of old countries. Also, we must not forget that Kiev is essentially the cradle of Russian culture, naturally, this argument is easy to use

well, if by cradle you mean the history related to Catherine and Odessa then i guess so but in general i think this over-thinking is not actually productive

No, I mean the period of Kievan Rus. In a certain sense, Kyiv is even closer to the Russians than Novgorod.

Yavlinsky wanted to sit on two chairs, receiving support from both the West and Russia, but credit where it's due, he was willing to resign. Of course, they didn't let him do that. At least they didn't kill him.

I’m not Slav

neither am i but my father's family name suggests that 4 or 5 generations back i have russian or ukrainian ancestry (my family name literally is the russian word for a broom, and the dutch were extremely humorous with their choices of names when the king decreed they all had to have family names... i met a dude whose name literally means "deep pants" and "broom" as my family's name is equally ironic i think

you read like a typical yugoslav to me tho, reading back over your reply in this thread... of course it could just be that you have spent a lot of time living in those parts but my smell says yugoslavia

My last name is just a regular name. Seems like the most common thing ever. Literally, [name], son of [father's name], descendant of [ancestor's name].

yeah, the history of the legalization of last names in the netherlands is quite interesting... a lot of "dutch" people don't really know where their ancestors come from going back before this decree came into force it reminds me of this funny french guy i met in auckland... he would always refer to me as "david from brizzy" because prior to going to NZ i was living in brisbane, australia the legalization of these names is really quite recent, i'm sure that it wasn't that long ago, but maybe earlier, that it was legalized in eastern europe but like you say, the names literally refer to father and place of birth... the bulgarian customs are very clear about this, they have this thing where there is a second name but it's the father's "first" name altered to the gender of the person, so the daughter of a man Ivan Valkov with a daughter Mariyana would be called Mariyana Ivanov Valkov

sorry, i mangled that Mariyana Ivanova Valkova

Yeah, but I’m almost Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov 🤣 The only difference is that my ancestor’s name was Zinoviy

that means you are either yugoslavian or probably russian (maybe baltic) that "ich" thing (which is really not the same sound as the english ch at all, or the german, it's sorta like a hard "th" if anything) i understand it is a diminuitive suffix, idk what the logic behind it is a more common thing in ukraine and southern slavic countries is the "-in" ending in names, eg "doronin" "constantin" (and -ina of course) which is another variant of diminutive that is kinda feminine based on the old latin use of this suffix my guess is that it's like a fork in the family tree at a male or female? -ich being male, -in being male? just curious, i never did actually get told or read up on the logic of it, but i know that -ovich and -ovin are also somewhat common family names

I never thought about where this -ich in the father's name comes from 🤔 It would be logical to just write something like Ivan Ivan. Probably it's something like 's in Old Slavonic, but I'm not entirely sure.

I agree with you here mostly. Except the defeatist conclusion. It does take an authoritarian leader to attack a neighbouring country. If you guys had a functioning democracy with half-decent checks and balances, you’d never have attacked Ukraine. Even if a non-negligible part of the population have imperialistic ambitions, it’s near impossible to go through with them in that situation. And what people think in the territories of interest outside of the “mother-nation” doesn’t matter in either scenario. In case the “mother-nation” is run by a strongman who has decided (with support from a part of his population, yes) that some outside territory “rightfully belongs” to them, it doesn’t matter what people think in the territory in question. Cases in point - Karabakh (Azerbaijan), Gaza (Israel). In case the “mother-nation” is run democratically, and there is some outside territory where a significant part of the population would like to join with the “mother-nation”, it doesn’t matter. The democratic country won’t go imperialist. Cases in point Südtirol (Austria), Åland Islands (Sweden), Northern Ireland (Ireland). Anyway, changing the subject a bit. Any good straight-talking Russian ultra-patriotic bloggers left on Telegram? Strelkov got jailed, sends a letter now and then that his wife posts. Alksnis died.