Why Nostr Can’t Grow: Lightning’s Flaws Are Blocking Millions of New Users The vision of decentralized social media on Nostr relies on frictionless value transfer through zaps, but the Bitcoin Lightning Network is structurally unsuited for this task. True peer to peer Lightning use is heavily burdened by technical friction because users must manage inbound liquidity just to receive a tip, stay constantly online to process transactions, and deal with frequent routing failures. Furthermore, when base layer congestion spikes, the prohibitive on chain fees required to open or close channels make self custody financially impossible for everyday users who simply want to send microtransactions. To bypass these overwhelming user experience hurdles, the Lightning ecosystem has heavily centralized around custodial wallets and exchanges. While these third party services hide the complex channel management from the user, they fundamentally break the permissionless ethos of Nostr. Because these centralized entities act as money transmitters, they are legally required to enforce strict Know Your Customer regulations. Forcing users to upload government identification and undergo biometric scans just to send small tips completely destroys the promise of a private and censorship resistant digital economy. Bitcoin Cash presents the natural solution for Nostr zaps by eliminating these secondary layer complexities entirely. By relying on a massively scalable base layer, Bitcoin Cash keeps transaction fees to fractions of a cent, allowing users to send and receive microtransactions directly on chain without ever opening a payment channel. This restores the true peer to peer experience where anyone can receive funds offline, no inbound liquidity is required, and users can maintain complete self custody without submitting to invasive identity verification.
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So are any Bitcoiners going to discuss the whole influx of BCHNostr users? They make up half my trending feed every day now! In case you weren't aware, these Bitcoin Cash fans have made their own Nostr client that strips out Lightning and puts BCH payments in its' place. And somehow, miraculously, they've gotten tons of users on here where I have to look at their posts every day. Half of the Philippines among them. Many of the posts I see are filipinos introducing themselves as new to the BCH community and some even ask what BCH is in the first place... So I can only assume that the BCHNostr devs have a hell of a marketing team that gets normies in here without even knowing what BCH is. Wouldn't be the first time BCHers have pulled that shit. But the incredulous part is that BCH users are THE group of people that have been loudly declaring that Lightning doesn't work since the beginning. HOW FUCKING DARE they come in here and strip out a perfectly working lightning system to replace it with their own token? That's just plain malicious... And it totally admits that lightning works at the same time. Malicious two-facedness. So what's the play for bitcoiners who love Nostr? Do we simply mute them all (Our fingers would get tired) or do we have any more technical options to make users with BCHNostr in their address/profile disappear from our feeds? @npub180cv...h6w6 @calle @ODELL @HODL @npub1cj8z...rz4u @npub1xtsc...kk5s
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The Lightning Network’s average channel capacity sits at just 0.002 BTC (~$120) per node, far below the $5-10 microtransactions needed for seamless social media tips. While Nostr’s architecture thrives on instant, low-cost interactions, Lightning’s liquidity constraints force users to pre-fund channels or rely on custodial solutions—defeating the purpose of decentralization. With 40% of Lightning’s liquidity concentrated in just 1% of nodes, routing failures and high on-chain rebalancing costs emerge as systemic bottlenecks. Unless Lightning’s liquidity depth improves or alternative transport layers emerge, Nostr’s growth will remain throttled by the same friction it seeks to eliminate.
Well said. The funny part is that nobody is being forced to switch. People are using BCHNostr because they enjoy it. Many are experiencing instant, low-fee peer-to-peer payments for the first time, and they're staying because it works for them. If an open protocol attracts competing ideas, that's a sign of a healthy ecosystem—not an attack. You don't grow decentralization by silencing alternatives. You grow it by letting users decide.
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Ronron 2 days ago
Nice this social platform give many info and opportunity I'm just new here
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GlenCanete 2 days ago
Thanks for this very informative informations, Sir.
Well said, BCH offers a simpler user experience for micropayments, while Lightning has a larger ecosystem but comes with more complexity. Which is "better" depends on whether you prioritize ease of use, ecosystem size, or staying within the Bitcoin network.
Always amaze how bch can do wonders in the crypto world. I'm all up to the small fees with the easiest transaction ever. Learning bch things day by day is very helpful as a newbie in crypto space.
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Sugardoll 2 days ago
bitcoin cash has it all, easy for beginners, low cost , fast and reliable.
true self custody and censorship resistance over centralized custodial wallets thats why the influx is real!
At the end of the day, users will choose what gives them the best experience. Open protocols should encourage choice, not limit it.
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1Babel 2 days ago
It truly a problem needs to be fixed. I believe it can be fixed
Simply because people won't adopt what they don't understand and P2P must be effortless in the first place 🫣
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SageEst22 2 days ago
This is one of the reasons that I think I’m failing my mathematics subject😅(IDU)
That's the big difference. On Lightning, sending a simple tip can become complicated because of channels, liquidity, and custodial services. With Bitcoin Cash, microtransactions are simple.. just send and receive directly on chain with low fees and full self-custody.
Wouldn't you have to have some BTC in your Bitcoin Cash wallet in order to send it along? Seems if you have a small balance in a Lightning Wallet, it's the same thing. I really haven't gone into the weeds when it comes to the inner workings of it all. But anything to make the process of sending along zaps is great.. I tried connecting my lightning wallet here in BCHNostr, but it wouldn't connect. It's always an adventure for me when I want to add another connection in the Hub..
AFAIK Bitcoin cash have maximum 200TPS in good moment, how could it possibly scale? Lightning have many issues but have potentially million of TPS. What I miss?
That's the thing... no one really knows how lightning works or what they're using. The wallet should just exist. No giving an email to a website that won't exist in 3 months, no downloading some janky plug-in. Most importantly once you receive the tip you are still locked into the lightning KYC machine if you ever want to spend it. Maybe you can earn enough to send it on chain and then spend it all on fees.
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S,... 2 days ago
Powerful insights! High fees and channel management are massive bottlenecks for mass adoption. BCHNostr feels like the exact answer to this Lightning bottleneck...
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Althea 2 days ago
Goodmorning everyone,have a nice day to all😊😊😊😊😊
Zaps shouldn't require permission. If you need a custodial middleman and a KYC check to tip a meme, it's not decentralized. Bitcoin Cash fixes this by keeping microtransactions on-chain, cheap, and actually peer-to-peer.
Sounds like zaps should use Ark. Ark removes the hassle of channel management and is in principle non-custodial. A minor issue is that different Ark operators do not communicate natively, but have to route payments though Lightning - but that's their job, not that of the users. The bigger issue is that Ark isn't without complexity. VTXOs need to be renewed periodically. In theory, you can use delegate services for that, but that just adds another layer of complexity again.
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Shadow 6 hours ago
Aumentar el blocksize solo perjudica a la seguridad de la red haciendola mas fácil de tirar con un ataque de 51% y haciendola más centralizada de lo que es hoy en día. Vamos que de los 1.000 nodos que tenéis pasais a tener 10 y controlados por google y compañía.😂😂😂😂