Don't confuse Protocols with Clients.
Bitcoin is a protocol, Wallets are clients.
Nostr is a protocol, Primal/Damus are clients.
clients don't need to be open, or honest, or benign.
Because open protocols allow for users to move with their data/id to other clients.
Don't like a wallet, move your seed.
Don't like a client, move your nsec.
Bitching at clients is a waste of time.
Build the competing clients is a lot more productive.
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🤔 no thanks. Bitching is more fun and much easier. 😊
I just want an ez way to onbording newbies 😩
Fork them all.
it's not a network
7 days homie
Having them download an app and create an "account" is pretty simple.
Moving seed sounds grossly insecure.
@jb55 merci pour le boost de la note d'Edwqrd il est en moins de 9 mois nostr se développe tellement de jour en jour que en tant que simple nostriche novice dunotee secteur je peine à suivre tout
It 💯 is
Dont think they will survive as just clients.
Bitcoin is referred to as a network while being a protocol, is it not?
Probably not, but that’s all they can be in the end.
Just so to save this piece of wisdom
View quoted note →Bitcoin actually is both a network (of nodes) and a protocol. Nostr is a protocol and we all send and receive to and from relays (that are not connected).
Mostly in agreement, however : "bitching" about something can be rebranded/reinterpreted as "sharing information" about something. Sharing information is often useful.
I get it. While it may not be technically accurate, I will continue to use that terminology in person as it seems to be easier for people to grasp. Nostr is a decentralised social network.
Why in the end? Do you think there wont be centralized social media anymore?
Calling out practices or processes that are harmful or distasteful in software, especially ones that are not immediately obvious, is an essential part of a healthy ecosystem.
Criticizing clients is no different than custodial wallets, or ZBD having full custody of your key. Light is shone upon these things because not every pleb will know or understand the difference.
Let’s not have double standards when it comes to our software.
I think it’ll be like AOL after people got used to the open web. What purpose would it serve?
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For what or until what? I can’t stand the anticipation
Fuck off NVK, clients should be open should be honest and should be benign..
And everyone should be bitching with any client who haven’t the open standards in open protocols..
That is one way that keep them away from doing malign things in open protocols..
After playing around and finding my feet over the last few months I’ve decided today & after reading your note I like a few wallets and a few clients. I’m going to be as close to #Jode or #realjode on each client as I can be, it’s my way of supporting them all individually and as a whole.
I’m more than happy with the #nostr & #bitcoin protocols. I’d say eggstatic if it was #easter eggnogstordinary if it was #christmas
Thank you all for your help with these project. Each and every one of you ⚡️🫂⚡️
So very true 🫂
At the same time, there are standards. Client Devs drive these standards and ultimately spec out the protocol to suit them.
Being critical of clients still have their uses.
This to me is one, if not the most important, aspect of open source software. If we can’t rely on others with more skill to criticize and point out things that we may not notice , or have the skills to understand, wtf is the point of open source.
The beauty of nostr, is that once something is pointed out, if you don’t like it, you switch clients. Clean break, no take backs, no sloppy retreads.
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Yes and no.
It’s not that simple. There are some things are stickier than you may realize.
Once something is built, even if it’s bad, it takes a lot of force to dismantle it. Even more so if people are using it. Now you have to convince people it’s in their interest and the public’s interest for them to leave, along with the force of demo.
I’m still torn on the OS argument, especially as building becomes easier and easier.
This note is a disservice to the community. 🤮
I found a vulnerability I'm going to remove my seed and I'm not going to warn anyone. 🤡
Who am i? I server ir a cliente?
I agree. 👍🌟
Thank you for clarifying.
I ask myself (not seriously) what a cold storage like for Bitcoin could be for NOSTR?
Can't imagine somebody would use this, but reallty sometimes proves me wrong on mankind. Otherwise there would not be ledgers and stuff like that ;-)
View quoted note →You're spot on, but it's going to be lost on the guy who took his FOSS product and moved away from Open Source once he sucked up enough free dev work & exacted market share.
