😂 quality conversation… have either of you made apps before… can you code without ai? It might be a perspective thing So many people today are use to apps that have evolved over years, have dozens to thousands of coders, and untold $millions ploughed into them Your average nostr app developer is working on his own unfunded At the very best they’ve got a grant from a @OpenSats or @Spiral Everyone else is self funded Anyone can build a shit app Building a good app is really fcking hard I don’t know a single developer who doesn’t appreciate constructive criticism… that knowledge is priceless A dev’s time time is precious… the quicker they can improve their app the better off everyone is

every body just make sure their app is well tested. coded with AI or without. just don't gas ⛽ up users with deliverables and now they have expectations. thousands of devs on an app was the old age where devs used to be hired and fired.

Have I made an app before no not me personally. However I have been on a board which decided how an app should be designed, & the direction it should go in. Yeah it was one of those paper jobs where you just approve/deny give instruction then wait for those devs to come back to you w reports. The average nostr developer is not working on their own unfunded I don't know where you assumed that from because look at their npubs they got more sats then you & me combined they are funded by the people on here & half of them are funded by vc capital & jack dorsey. The problem is these yups are not working together & bum rushing shitty nostr clients just to make a name for themselves because it's annew platform anyone can shine who will shine first? But this conversation wasn't directed at a specific developer or just nostr developers alone. It's every dev today the ways they handle themselves to their audience compare it to the devs of 2000. They got more personal & take criticism on their app like it's an attack on their personal identity & lives. Just look at the shit I dealt with last night oh you can't because cry baby dev deleted all his comments which deleted my replies under them & even though I run my own relay this shows that the deletion prevention event only works on your notes not your replies to other notes. So I couldn't preserve my side of the debate & lost his bitch fit on me. It just goes to show how emotional devs have gotten since 2015.

How much did you pay for perfection? Everything here is in perpetual beta Thanks for highlighting how the old days were well funded

at this point I don't even know what you are advocating for 🙄🤦🏾‍♂️

I advocate for giving developers constructive feedback… telling them “their apps are shit” is just insulting and doesn’t help them. Expecting every app is well tested? To whose standards? With what resources? You can test your app a thousand times and it works fine then you put it out there and 1000 bugs appear because life’s unpredictable and people will use your thing in ways you didn’t foresee. Buy a new computer with the latest OS and I guarantee you within a week there’s an update… now if Apple and Microsoft still have these issues with all their $billions,1000’s of devs and unlimited resources what chance do you think the average independent coder stands?

like a one armed bricklayer in beirut in the lebanon war

I haven't heard that expression in months :)

I would differ. Not everyone shall see it as an insult. Some see the issues bundled up as 'app is shit' and they listen and work to fix these bugs. I get your points tho ✊🏾