But normies dont understand bitcoin in the first place. Its like saying I dont care about guns if everyone just stopped fighting in the first place.

If normies don’t understand bitcoin in the first place, then there’s no reason to keep the “sat” terminology. We’re free to change it without confusing them.

It will confuse the entire infrastructure because a bitcoin will refer to two different representations of value. This will not have consensus.

From a code perspective, consensus is already without the decimal points. I don’t care if we call them bitcoins or sats but 8 decimal points sucks.

I dont disagree but how many people are coming to bitcoin from a code perspective and can understand this rationale? Very few and those who are, likely are already bitcoiners. Adoption requires consistency. Changing terminology on a fundamental level 16 years later just so laymen language better mirrors code language. Right when Bitcoin is being adopted on a governmental level forcing bitcoin to leach into the normie zeitgeist. Seems foolish at best. - The term bitcoin will represent two different values. This is a disaster for automated systems and interoperability. - Socially confusing and can cause disasters for individuals when making p2p transactions. Imagine how easy it would be to scam someone for the wrong bitcoin denomination. - From educational standpoint how many books videos podcasts write-ups etc have to be clarified for a normie to further untangle? "Oh no this bitcoin is way more valuable than this bitcoin cause the book was written last year." ?! At best its a bad "marketing" move. All of this to achieve what? A little bit less confusing way to count it? Proof of work requires people to learn the language. Why are we changing the existing language to suit them? In any case, the best tech does not always win. This is not something we need to max optimize. Let it be what it is. Imo we point our efforts elsewhere. There are bigger fish to fry.

By far, you’ve just laid out the best argument I’ve seen for sats. I’ll have to chew on this for a bit. All I know right now is that 8 decimal points sucks.

8 decimals can suck it. 😆

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That argument fails to imagine what the world will look like if Sats are adopted as an everyday currency. The word Bitcoin loses all classificatory value in this context. Nobody will say "Bitcoin Sats" because why? Bitcoin Sats as opposed to what? Non-Bitcoin Sats? Stores and restaurants will, over the years, stop saying "We take Bitcoin" because why? The word Sats is what will appear on menus, on receipts. Why slap on another word that doesn't appear anywhere on menus or receipts? Words that don't *do anything* always get weeded out; they confuse people, they waste space. (This is unlike dollars and cents, where both words appear on menus and receipts and both words are *doing something* there, adding something there.) Regular people first encountering Bitcoin in this context (a restaurant menu, etc.) won't in fact "come to Bitcoin", they'll come to Sats. It'll be like the many countries in the world with one small currency unit, and everything is priced in an amount of that, be it 100, 1k, 10k, 100k, or whatever. Basically a vote for Sats is a vote for the slow death of the word Bitcoin in all casual retail contexts over the next 20 years. Which if that's what you want then cool, but be clear that's the vote.

I don’t think your argument makes much sense. Sats is not going to be what causes the death of Bitcoin 😂

The death of the word/brand in a retail context. Maybe you missed that.

Antidotally, all the videos of retail transactions at Steak & Shake, McDonald’s, and vendors in Madiera & El Salvador all say “We Accept Bitcoin” with prices in Sats. If you were right, they would say “we accept Sats.” There’s also no well known symbol for Sats, just the orange Bitcoin. All of that is why I agree that calling it all Bitcoin is better, but there’s no attack here it’s just cleaner.

That's the case now of course, but if you look at those you see the word Bitcoin isn't doing anything other than trying to help out the words Sats—because the word Sats cannot yet stand on it's own. So the word Bitcoin is a crutch. But over 20 years that changes. Sats stands on it's own. It starts with where prices are shown, such as a menu or a price-tag. Is a restaurant menu in 10 years' time going to show the price of my scrambled eggs as: 1,000 Sats / 0.000000000001 Bitcoin (or however many zeros) Restaurants don’t waste space on menus, and adding a mess of zeros is an obvious net negative. My scrambled eggs will be priced at 1,000 Sats and that’s it. No Bitcoin mentioned. Once the word Bitcoin is gone from menus and price-tags, the next is receipts. The receipt will show you spent 1,000 Sats. Phrases like "Thanks for purchasing in Bitcoin" will fade away from the bottom part of the receipt, because again, what is that adding? People know what a Sat is by this time. And so on. You get to 2040 or 2050 and the word Bitcoin is like the word Bullion for gold. It's still there but for traders and stuff, not for regular people.