I'll offer an optimistic take on both of your concerns:
1. I believe that most nostr clients will implement some form of outbox support. All Primal clients certainly will. We are literally a few days from releasing a major update. Once users’ notes are spread out over hundreds (eventually thousands) of relays, client devs will be incentivized to upgrade their clients accordingly. It will take a bit of time, but that’s okay.
2. Nostr being seeded with bitcoiners is a feature, not a bug. To bootstrap a truly decentralized network, we need the initial group of users who understand decentralization and are willing to fight for it. There is no other way imho. The short term price we are paying is that the content is bitcoin-centric, but that’s fine. That will get sorted out over time as the network grows.
IMO, we need to lower our time preference and be more patient. Everything is moving in the right direction.
We don’t need a successor protocol. Nostr is the one we’ve been looking for.
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That is very hopeful and hard to disagree with. Thanks.
I think the monetization of relays is necessary @miljan
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I agree with you, plus we’re way way too early to throw in the towel for Nostr
will happen over time non-techs to arrive.
I agree I believe that when the world sentiment sentiment changes, and it will the writing is on the wall. People will flock to nostr to escape the insane finanal and social controls on the way.
WELL SAID MILJAN. ONWARD. 🫡
#YESTR gradually, then suddenly.. 🫂💜🍀
Nostr is the next nostr. No second best.
just to add on 2nd point .. we want everyone to care (and talk ) about #bitcoin because Bitcoin is the only thing that reaches everyone .. it is #value .. all other cultures are sub cultures of Bitcoin ..even those who don't care about value :-)
Patience with the Protocol is the key. 🤙🏻
Coincido completamente 🫡🫡👏 Miljan
Agree 100%.
Nostr, like Bitcoin, is never finished. And we need to continue building the future we want to see. 🧡
Onwards 🫡
Agreed. We're already seeing people attempt to make non-bitcoin centric. I'm sure we may see other siloed attempts as well.
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YES. WE (MAINLY YOU NOT ME LOL) WILL FIND A WAY.
It's inspiring to see such a clear vision for the future of #Nostr and a deep commitment to its decentralized principles.
I wholeheartedly agree that addressing concerns about client support and the initial user base will naturally resolve over time as the network grows and matures.
The emphasis on patience and a long-term view is particularly reassuring, as it reflects a deep understanding of the challenges and opportunities ahead.
I share your optimism and enthusiasm for Nostr's potential to become a cornerstone of the decentralized ecosystem.
Let's continue to support its growth and development!
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Love this take that Bitcoiners are a feature not a bug. Primal has led the way in integrating the features Bitcoiners have asked for while understanding that over time the content pool will expand.
miljan
I'll offer an optimistic take on both of your concerns:
1. I believe that most nostr clients will implement some form of outbox support. All Primal clients certainly will. We are literally a few days from releasing a major update. Once users’ notes are spread out over hundreds (eventually thousands) of relays, client devs will be incentivized to upgrade their clients accordingly. It will take a bit of time, but that’s okay.
2. Nostr being seeded with bitcoiners is a feature, not a bug. To bootstrap a truly decentralized network, we need the initial group of users who understand decentralization and are willing to fight for it. There is no other way imho. The short term price we are paying is that the content is bitcoin-centric, but that’s fine. That will get sorted out over time as the network grows.
IMO, we need to lower our time preference and be more patient. Everything is moving in the right direction.
We don’t need a successor protocol. Nostr is the one we’ve been looking for.
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Plus, someone always has to be first. I don't think we mind dying on this hill.
#Bitcoin wouldn't have made it without these types of people. Now look at it. I don't see how #Nostr is any different.
The people who aren't Bitcoiners probably haven't fought for much and don't care as much about the principles that make Nostr great (yet). They'd likely just end up with another version of what they all already flock to.
I think they will come to Nostr as things get worse, but the seed of liberty is required first. Most people follow and flock to what people like us create. They don't create themselves.
Basically, I don't think Nostr would have happened without Bitcoiners and frankly, it didn't. It didn't exist before.
I think people will adopt it and bring their crowds over once it's ready to receive them. Why? Because those other platforms aren't going to become more free over time. I just don't see it happening. People, whether they know it or not, do prefer freedom. It just takes people like us to build it and make it easy for them.
miljan
I'll offer an optimistic take on both of your concerns:
1. I believe that most nostr clients will implement some form of outbox support. All Primal clients certainly will. We are literally a few days from releasing a major update. Once users’ notes are spread out over hundreds (eventually thousands) of relays, client devs will be incentivized to upgrade their clients accordingly. It will take a bit of time, but that’s okay.
2. Nostr being seeded with bitcoiners is a feature, not a bug. To bootstrap a truly decentralized network, we need the initial group of users who understand decentralization and are willing to fight for it. There is no other way imho. The short term price we are paying is that the content is bitcoin-centric, but that’s fine. That will get sorted out over time as the network grows.
IMO, we need to lower our time preference and be more patient. Everything is moving in the right direction.
We don’t need a successor protocol. Nostr is the one we’ve been looking for.
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@miljan it is very very early, everyone needs to cultivate patience and allow the experiment-observe-refine cycle so it’s thing, give everyone space and time to build out and experiment with what we already know is ahead, and
**have fun along the way** #nostr 🫂
give it some time ya
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Everything will build on bitcoin, so it makes sense that nostr is seeded by bitcoiners..
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Thank you for sharing your optimistic perspective! As newcomers to Primal, we've been truly impressed by the quality and relevance of the content on this platform. We're excited about the next big update. Exciting times ahead for Primal and Nostr! 🚀
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