How are you differentiating mail from dms?

Even if it's just a matter of calling DMs "Mail". It sets up the expectations and use cases, way better.

Mail: - messages going from one sender to receiver(s) - works on a message by message basis - no need for a group state - no need for anyone to be the owner of the communication channel - ability to not accept replies (and communicate that!) - ability to set a price on your inbox - privacy slightly less important DMs: - needs a channel of communication (who owns it?) - privacy vaugueness Why not just spin up a Private Group for two instead, and leave the option open to get bot npubs invlved etc... ?

I like mail more than DM. It's just a narrative thing I know, but I'm more comfortable with mail as a concept 😅

For Shop checkouts, you need mails, not DMs. For Service updates and billing, you need mails, not DMs. For sharing MLS keypackages, you need mails, not DMs. For rich one-off update messages you need mails, not DMs. Etc...

Hmmm... I'm slightly confused, as is usual. 🤣 I don't know what you mean by "a group state." While there might not be a need for an owner, I would want that ability in a private group so that I could moderate who has read/write privileges.

> just a narrative thing Narratives are underestimated in Geek-town.

In a Private group (especially MLS): - there are clearly defined Admin - there is a group state, in the sense that if you're not up to date with it, you can't encrypt messages any longer So it's not really appropriate for one-off communication. In Big-Tech land, the third party server is the hidden owner of the communication channel between 2 profiles that "DM" each other. Here we don't have that. So either you create a Private Group (with admin etc) or you send one-off messages that, imo, we should better call "Mail".

When you call it "Mail", Nip-17 suddenly sounds a lot more acceptable :winkwithtongue:

MLS :pointright: Private Groups Nip-17 :pointright: Private Mail Nip-17 honestly just needs a "title" tag and we're :90percent: set.

OK. Yes. That makes sense except for the fact that... Aren't all data packets basically mail, then? Please don't waste your time on my faffing about with this. I'll understand it eventually. 😅

Sure. But one is me sending a letter to your mailbox (with a service that relays the letter). The other is me and you talking a private room, that we both have an access code to, but that ultimately somebody (admin) controls the access codes for.

Hmmm... Yes. And ultimately, there's a lot of stuff happening in the background to make it work in either case.

It has it! Amethyst iirc shows the subject if set. Chachi shows the subject but I need to implement changing it.

:Check: Mail icon = drawn :Check: First widget = built This re-framing got me excited to actually implement Nip-17