This is obvious in retrospect but I figured out why I can’t orange pill anyone. NO ONE HAS ANY SAVINGS. Outside of retirement accounts most people carry higher balances on their credit cards than they do cash balances of any form. The idea of savings is so foreign they can’t wrap their head around it.

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I think you’re definitely onto something there. It’s probably deeper than that also, and has a lot to do with aversion to volatility, and the perception that everyone who got into bitcoin years ago has already benefited the most from it and there’s nothing left for anyone new.
I've pivoted to experiments on how people can save money. The time bank, repair cafe, and possible swap meets are hugely popular for that exact reason. Eventually I'll bring up Bitcoin again but probably as a minor comment about why I like Nostr. There's a lot of busking in town and sending/receiving a tip for good content would make sense to them. Just bringing up saving in Bitcoin makes folks actively mad 🤣
My neighbor did some work for me and I asked if I could pay him in bitcoin. He said he wanted cash because he had a new gun he wants to buy. Dude doesn’t need another gun to protect himself from being stolen from. He needs Bitcoin. Oh well.
Im going to pivot from trying to onboard new people to trying to empower the already onboarded to stack more. I want all you fucking lunatics to be so rich you get to set the rules. 🤣
Lots of people have retirement accounts, but they are terrified to convert out of them, afraid they will never recoup the taxes and penalties. Lots of other people are alreadt drawing the money out of retirement accounts because they have loat their jobs or been reduced significantly. It is rough out there.
Oh! I'm suddenly reminded of the best dating advice ever, which unfortunately can't realistically be brought up early enough... Gotta fund out if she saves, uses credit cards, has any understanding of debt...
well their 'savings' is in the market, in retirement accounts. and as we all know if you touch it too soon, PENALIZED. so there is alot of friction. i think the biggest hurdle is the deprogramming. its wild cause everyone feels it, from their gas tank to their grocery bill, to the cost of their water bill. EVERYONE KNOWS SOMETHING ISNT RIGHT. the left will tell you its the rights fault the right will tell you its the lefts fault even though we have had multiple instances of a party having the trifecta of control of house, senate and presidency. ITS THE FUCKING MONEY AND HAS BEEN FOR AT LEAST 55 YEARS NOW part 1 of understanding, is admitting that you know nothing JON SNOW image rant over
Yall are still “saving” in bitcoin still? lol What’s the point of keeping all the shitcoins? You think the slave money is somehow going to be worth something someday ?
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Teo 1 month ago
Once you get bitcoin, you figure out a way to save.
So, its inside of retirement accounts. Withdraw monies, take a one time tax hit and go orange with self custody, of course. Starve the fiat beast.
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BitcoinChurch 1 month ago
I noticed this in 2021, when everyone was flush with cash. No one was interested in saving that cash, everyone wanted to get rich on stonks or shitcoins, or just spend it on lifestyle upgrades.
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Jude 1 month ago
The fiat encourages you to fucking chuck it into the street as soon as you get it.
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magnum 1 month ago
Is this true? What are you basing this on? I only ask because most I know have high savings but still no bitcoin. The main issue is mortgage debt which everyone here is drowning in. Even with high savings it's not enough to cope.
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pincheVato 1 month ago
i've noticed kinda the opposite. i have a few coworkers (i have no friends, so i'm taking data from a very small pool) who have cash but don't know where to put it. I always suggest bitcoins.. but so far no one has listened. i think the real reason we can't orange pill most people is because bitcoin is too much of a game changer. it's hard to figure out. it's scary unless you understand it.... but they will come around 🧡
Partially personal experiences but mostly stats I hear pushed around like the average American couldn’t handle a $400 medical bill.
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pincheVato 1 month ago
i suppose in some lousy savings acct. also invested in tools & vehicles. those are asets