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there seems to be a large number of cloud core nodes. most of the knots nodes appear to be running in residential ISPs, which makes sense. there's just not a lot of them compared to bitcoin cloud infra. I didn't realize there were so many cloud nodes but I guess that makes sense with all the services out there. AS bucketing is really cool, it turns an ocean of IPs into something readable https://cdn.jb55.com/s/0eff8dd228e40fa6.txt

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after running this for a day only seeing 8.2% of knots nodes on clearnet. this isn't even AS bucketed yet. 1540 unique core ipv4 peers 126 unique knots ipv4 addrs this is without tor to avoid tor sybils (creating multiple tor endpoints per node) I wonder if someone really is inflating their numbers via tor tricks... hmm. will continue the investigation in a couple days to gather more data + tor stats. View quoted note →

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a1 3 months ago

Plebs vs profiteers

The Fishcake (nostr.build) _@thefishcake.com 3 months ago

Lightning nodes, plus many tunnel via cloud.

Skyler Byrden ⚡️BIP 110 ⚡️UASF 3 months ago

So after going on a witch hunt looking for knots cloud nodes, you find a plethora of core cloud nodes and conclude, “I guess that makes sense with all the services out there.”

rfkill 3 months ago

My node is fully isolated on tor. Would it show as residential or cloud?

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Colby Serpa colby@hornetstorage.net 3 months ago

If you prune out the core cloud nodes, I’m afraid to hear the comparison after that. It means knots has more than 20%…

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Skyler Byrden ⚡️BIP 110 ⚡️UASF 3 months ago

He found that 100% of the network is not running v30.

spyhunter spyhunter@BitcoinNostr.com 3 months ago

So if you counted all AWS nodes as 1 node as amazon owns all that infrastructure, what does that do to your numbers?

jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago

yes I suspect you are right, I can calculate that one sec

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jgbtc jgettbtc@jgett.com 3 months ago

Makes sense because knots is for plebs, core is for suits.

jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago

actually the long tail wins here, cutting out cloud nodes bumps knots ratio from 8.2 to 11%

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Colby Serpa colby@hornetstorage.net 3 months ago

Nice. So about half of the knots nodes are cloud based? What percentage of core nodes are cloud? I’m curious.

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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago

no clearnet knots nodes are cloud based, its all residential

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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago

at least the ones I connected to

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Colby Serpa colby@hornetstorage.net 3 months ago

Oh I guess I misinterpreted what you meant. So what percentage of core nodes are cloud-based? Last I saw knots was at 20% of the total network compared to core.

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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago

I'm seeing about ~27%-32% of core nodes are cloud nodes based on the 1450 core nodes I have sampled

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Colby Serpa colby@hornetstorage.net 3 months ago

Damn, that brings bitcoin core’s residential dominance down from 80% to 50%… if you remove the bitcoin core cloud nodes & if none of the knots nodes in that 20% are cloud. 50% core vs 20% knots for residential means bitcoin core is barely double knots. 😯

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Colby Serpa colby@hornetstorage.net 3 months ago

But then again this is a small sample so who knows, just estimating. I don’t like the trend though.

Empka 3 months ago

Neither, can't tell the real IP of a tor node except if you find a vulnerability to unmask it.

Skyler Byrden ⚡️BIP 110 ⚡️UASF 3 months ago

You guys are looking at this wrong. It’s not knots vs core It’s core v30/libre vs everything else And to complicate things more, just because it’s a knots node doesn’t mean it’s filtering spam. In fact it doesn’t even mean it’s actually a knots node.