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This debate over the Trump Tariffs is getting really deep, and thus super-interesting. My take is that the label ... "Made in the USA" ... always guaranteed quality and value for money. Everything I have ever bought that carried the label "Made in the USA" either lasted a hell of a long time, or is still in use. In 1989 I was in New York State (the Catskills) and at a hiking shop there I purchased a rucksack made from Ballistic Nylon. I still have it with me today, and I use it typically 4 days per week to carry heavy loads of groceries and bottled water when bicycling. All the original sewing on the straps is still intact, despite me stressing them regularly since circa 35 years ago! All the "Made in the USA" bath-towels I have ever purchased lasted me many years. And their high-quality cotton weave were unbeatable. Similar items that were "Made in Thailand" were simply junk in comparison. While I have enjoyed paying heavily discounted prices for certain "Made in China" products (such as cheap cameras, or household items) I know from the get-go they won't last. Therefore, I truly believe Trump's attempt to tame China, while restoring some of America's past manufacturing glories is a worthy project that deserves our support ... even if it subsequently turns out only 60 percent successful.

Sure, sometimes American products are higher quality to match their higher price over the Chinese counterpart, but if American companies really did always have better products and better prices than the free market would take care of it and no one would buy anything from China. The fact that in a mostly free market (there are some tariffs on Chinese products) Americans still choose foreign products generally indicates that those foreign products are better. Sometimes American products are better but markets indicate that’s not often the case.

I don't think you are referencing the real world, Jonathan. I very much doubt Americans consistently make purchasing decisions that involve "choosing foreign products" on any kind of regular basis. For example, Wallmart (founded by a Jewish family) was specifically set-up to import mostly Chinese products for the poorer American Consumer. Those Americans who frequent Wallmart do so because their restricted monthly budgets dictate they must constantly look for the cheapest prices. In which case, there is little to no consumer choice taking place ... except for "I choose Wallmart". In other words, they are not choosing "foreign over American" or specifically Chinese products. They simply visiting Wallmart because it is the cheapest in town, while also offering a wide range of items. Since the start of the World Trade Organization in 1995, there have been no "free consumer markets" operating in America; at least, not of the kind that were commonplace back during the 1950s and 1960s. Rather, the consumer markets that do exist are highly distorted, and predicated upon a lack of competition ... because they are being fed almost exclusively by single foreign suppliers: Chinese household products and electronic gadgets, Japanese cars, Korean steel, Thai computer memories, Vietnamese laptops, etc. Furthermore, if the USA is anything like the United Kingdom, then your consumer banking is being remotely managed by dedicated I.T. Service companies based in India, such as TATA and InfoSys. Americans currently aged between 18 and 50 won't know what they are capable of unless and until they they are given the opportunity to re-establish the presence of a "Made in America" manufacturing movement that focuses on quality and durability; and for a price that reliably offers "value for money".

That is an interesting point. I had forgotten that people's choices are often intermediated through stores. There are two things we still need to remember. Those stores stock what people buy. If people were consistently choosing to buy American products they would stock more American products. Second, with online shopping you can buy directly from manufacturers. Take my two most recent online purchases for example, a bike tube and a pen. For the bike tube, I had no idea where in the world it was made. All I knew is that it had the best reviews for the lowest price. When I just checked, sure enough it's from China. Or the pen, it's German and was shipped directly. In the first example I purchased purely from merit and ended up with a Chinese product, and in the second I purposely chose a foreign product over any other domestic competitors because the Germans, Japanese, and Taiwanese are the only countries that can make a nice pen to save their life. The best example of this is cars. American car manufacturers got out-competed fair and square and now an American car is something I would personally avoid. All to say, big box stores aren't unilaterally deciding what people must buy, and "Made in America" can sometimes be good, America has generally moved up in the world economy to performing higher skilled labor instead of everyone being factory workers.

And you've raised an "interesting point" when making direct reference to online shopping. Which could also be generically described as the most direct way of purchasing from any manufacturer (domestic or foreign). In other words the buyer cuts out the middle man and evaluates products using online "reviews" or their own emotional impulses, or serendipity. It would appear our exchanges on this topic have already revealed that this particular "Onion" has rather more layers than first met the eye. | QUOTE: "and in the second I purposely chose a foreign product over any other domestic competitors because the Germans, Japanese, and Taiwanese are the only countries that can make a nice pen to save their life." But have you not heard of Cross (A.T. Cross Company, LLC) ... a famous American manufacturer of high quality pens, based in Providence, Rhode Island?? About 17 years ago, I stumbled upon Cross Pens while browsing inside a giant Shopping Mall in Central Bangkok. I really liked what I saw, and eventually chose a mini-pen (i.e., half the length of a standard pen) which I could easily carry with me inside my shoulder pouch. Back in those days, I was keeping a daily journal in a pocket-sized notebook. On that day, Cross Pens provided me a novel solution to a fairly unique problem... which is another characteristic of American manufacturers I've often valued: the ability to offer novel solutions to highly personalized problems. Cross writing instruments are generally sold in the mid-range of the market, rather than at the extreme luxury end. Yet paradoxically, I then discover (thanks to Wikipedia) that most, but not all, Cross writing instruments are now made in China!!! Although (that article continues) some of the work for customized pens is still performed in New England.

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