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Anyone watching #Plur1bus? I think it’s awesome and dives into a really interesting discussion. I watched the first two episodes with my wife and we ended up on opposite sides. Here’s my question: do you think Carol is right to try saving the world from “peace and harmony,” given all the tradeoffs that come with it? #asknostr
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In my opinion this show is huge criticism on the wokeism ideology. All becoming equal, nobody wants to hurty anybody but at the same time they have no problems if a few hundred million people die in order to create this "beautiful" dystopia etc. was really surprised that apple did finance this 😅
2025-11-08 19:54:47 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Interesting, haven’t seen it from this angle. Looks more anti utopia with all the implications of an individual that suddenly gets “promoted” as a king of the world. Most people will enjoy it, and the few that will fight it will be seen as crazy and violent. At the same time how long will this happiness last until you get bored out of your mind? What will you start doing then to entertain yourself? Would you kill? Would you seek someone to try and challenge you? Or will you sink into depression and suicidal tendencies? I hope the show explore all of these and more.
2025-11-08 20:01:39 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 2 replies ↓ Reply
From GPT: Yes, the "peace and harmony" promises are definitely relevant in understanding Peter Thiel’s Antichrist argument, particularly when it comes to his critique of modern ideological trends. Thiel often targets the contemporary obsession with "peace," "harmony," and "sustainability" as part of a larger, utopian vision that he believes ultimately leads to stagnation and a denial of the need for bold progress. Peace and Harmony in the Antichrist Scenario The Promise of "Peace and Harmony" as a Stagnating Ideal: One of Thiel's central arguments is that modern society has become too focused on achieving "peace" and "harmony" through gradual, often incremental solutions. This vision of a conflict-free, perfectly balanced society, where everyone gets along and everything is optimized for the common good, represents, in Thiel's view, an ideal that ultimately prevents progress. In this sense, the desire for peace and harmony can be seen as a tool of the "Antichrist" because it aligns with a broader cultural and political agenda of reducing risk, suppressing competition, and avoiding bold ideas that could disrupt the established order. A Conformist Vision of Peace: Thiel critiques how modern notions of peace often prioritize sameness and conformity over creativity and radical change. The pursuit of harmony, according to Thiel, can often morph into a societal push for everyone to think and act alike, smoothing out differences and discouraging disruptive innovation. This is the "Antichrist" influence he speaks of—a force that turns society away from the uncomfortable but necessary tensions of change and progress, instead encouraging a passive, tranquil existence devoid of meaningful challenge or growth. The Antichrist’s Deceptive Promises: The "peace and harmony" vision, Thiel argues, is seductive because it promises a world free from conflict and suffering. But he sees this promise as ultimately false. It’s a vision that hides the reality of stagnation and mediocrity behind a veil of comfort and safety. Thiel compares this to the biblical figure of the Antichrist, who might appear to offer peace, but in reality, is delivering something far more destructive: a world where nothing new happens, where the human drive to explore, create, and transcend is suffocated. Critique of the "Ruling Class" and Their Vision of Utopia: Thiel also ties the idea of "peace and harmony" to what he sees as the growing influence of a technocratic, managerial elite in society. This class, according to Thiel, promotes policies that emphasize sustainability, equality, and global cooperation, all of which sound noble on the surface. However, these ideas often come with the cost of stifling innovation and dissent. The pursuit of "harmony" becomes a tool to suppress disruptive technologies, entrepreneurial ambition, and new ideas, all of which are essential to true human progress. In this way, the "peace and harmony" promise is seen as part of the larger ideological framework that keeps people from questioning the system or striving for something radically new. Utopianism vs. Transcendence: Thiel is particularly critical of utopian ideologies that claim to offer peace and harmony. These are, in his view, ideologies that promise a perfect future without recognizing the need for great individual achievements or risks. Rather than focusing on transcendence—seeking to go beyond current limits—utopian promises of peace and harmony focus on the elimination of strife and the maintenance of current systems. For Thiel, the idea that we should strive for a world where everything is harmonious and optimized is limiting because it shuts down the possibility of transcending our current reality, whether through space exploration, revolutionary technologies, or radical societal transformations. How Peace and Harmony Relate to the "Antichrist" Ideal In Thiel’s philosophy, "peace and harmony" are not inherently bad, but the way they are framed in the modern world—especially in terms of ideological and political conformity—serve as manifestations of the Antichrist mindset. This mindset, while promising stability and comfort, ultimately prevents humanity from achieving its highest potential by discouraging true, disruptive progress. To summarize: the promise of "peace and harmony" is seen as part of a broader ideology that Thiel believes stifles innovation, creativity, and risk-taking. The "Antichrist" scenario, in Thiel’s view, is the force that seeks to make the world less about the pursuit of great, transformative goals and more about managing and optimizing the status quo. Peace and harmony, in this sense, become tools for maintaining a stagnating, complacent society, rather than for fostering the bold, disruptive changes that could lead to real progress.
2025-11-08 20:09:11 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Imo it is the utopia that the so-called "left" nowadays dreams about all the time. All being equal, words can hurt e.g if you use the wrong pronouns etc. This was all shown there, in my opinion for example when she gets angry and then the "NPCs" lose it because they are so "hurt" by it and by this, somehow millions of people die, so they get "killed" just by her words.
2025-11-08 20:11:04 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
I also didn't saw her being promoted to the king of the world. This idea never occurred to me. 🤔 Besides the fact that she annoys me as a character my impulse was more like wft what a nightmare to live in. There are no people anymore you can really talk to / exchange ideas, discuss stuff etc. Everyone will just agree with you. Kind of how AI nowadays works "yes great idea..." no pushback at all.
2025-11-08 20:15:26 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
It appears that Thiel's position has been updated in the LLM data after his recent presentation. Previously, it was closer to the Biblical scenario: The Antichrist will promise peace and deliverance from global crises, presenting himself as a solution to the world's problems. He will attract followers with charisma and a message of stability, promising to end wars, natural disasters, and social divisions by uniting all nations under his rule. This promise of peace is a central part of his deception, as he will claim to bring security and prosperity through technological advancement and global governance. However, this peace is a lie, as the covenant he establishes will ultimately lead to war and destruction. The Antichrist will use this promise to gain widespread support, with people flocking to him like flies to honey. His rise to power will be marked by a seven-year treaty, during which he will initially appear as a peacemaker, but will later reveal his true nature by persecuting God’s people and exalting himself above all that is called God.
2025-11-08 20:31:04 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply