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Final final@stacker.news 3 months ago
Regarding getting the team looking into it I would also need to explain Nostr further as they don't know. It is a given but things to do with Nostr aren't ever going to be bundled in GrapheneOS. No third-party apps or services. I also am not going to campaign for Nostr as a thing GrapheneOS to adopt at scale, it's strictly a mobile security project and I see them as very different things that users of both can have quite similar goals with, but many separately. Same justification we don't make anything crypto. Not everything must be Nostr-fied and having an app ecosystem users can choose to install is perfect as is for me. There's a lot of room for error with normies and Nostr just like cryptocurrencies. We still have people self-custodying millions of dollars on their phone and getting pwned. Solution made, now needs to be useable. Many in the GrapheneOS channel space not so interested in Nostr social media but White Noise and Keychat yes.
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Final final@stacker.news 3 months ago
PGP is a utility for encryption / signing people tried to adopt as an identity but never could because it never designed to be. It is primitive and obsolete. Tools like age, signify and kryptor solve PGP by being a far more useable encryption / signing utility. Systems like Nostr and anything to compete against it solved having a cryptographic online identity. I have mostly recommended to avoid the social media side of it. Look at Nostr in a simplest form: a keypair as an identity.
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Vitor Pamplona _@vitorpamplona.com 3 months ago
I agree with avoiding the social media part, but not the social graph. That's the difference between pgp and nostr: the graph of people signing on top of each other. In other words, every Twitter thread is a different blockchain.
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Final final@stacker.news 3 months ago
Yes. I just mean strictly a social media is something I avoid when describing nostr. Social graph falls more under identity for me since you can have this same social graph system on other identity providers too, for example a federated social media's instance admins trusting admins of other instances to federate. Nostr at least can split this down to an individual level rather than a single authority that individual trusts to trust on their behalf. A lot of users in channels in our space think Nostr is just "Bitcoin Bro Twitter", and some call npubs an account, which isn't exact. I don't blame them. Nostr as a social media reminds me of a hyper-accelerated Twitter. Where Facebook is mostly between a friend circle, Twitter was far more out in the open, Nostr as a social media just expands that IMO. We have a very private space so people who want privacy wouldn't really use Nostr at all, they'd use a centralised social media they can private and lock posts to just people they want... Bluesky provides tons of restrictions on that.
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Vitor Pamplona _@vitorpamplona.com 3 months ago
Yeah, I wouldn't call that privacy, though. It's just the human need to control each other. People love that and most normies think they need or want that. It takes a while to convince them otherwise.
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