Thread - Nostr Hypermedia

Basanta Goswami basantagoswami@unsigned.in 7 months ago

"Long after Jack gets bored and all NIP-65 relays federation run out of funding and shut down, there will still be 8 million wildly distributed (geographically and organizationally) DHT nodes" You just made a lot of assumpitons here: - Jack will get bored of nostr - NIP-65 relays are costly to run and devs (who are Bitcoiners BTW) don't have enough money to keep running them - Regular users will let them be shut down instead of sending donations to keep them running in case of monetary issues - There will always be 8 million mainline nodes, they won't ever get bored or run out of funding I don't believe any of these are true BitTorrent itself might slowly disappear or become irrelevant, and with it the DHT nodes. A solution for nostr should be native to nostr, not dependent on another completely unrelated network Also, if ICANN wants, they can start fucking with the entire mainline DHT network starting tomorrow, because the DHT network itself relies on IPv4 (addresses ultimately controlled by ICANN) for Sybil resistance

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Nuh 7 months ago

Ok, start building the federation so we can actually discuss two real things and I can actually attack your system instead of saying that someone might attack it.

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Nuh 7 months ago

TIL "ipv4 addresses ultimately controlled by ICANN" These are the arguments against DHTs now folks. View quoted note →

Anthony Accioly anthony@accioly.social 7 months ago

Lol, I didn’t even get a notification for the original reply, so if you hadn’t responded, I wouldn’t have even seen it. I think this whole thing has been discussed to death. Not worth rehashing again. I don’t think Nostr is going to die if Jack and the whole crypto VC funding machine + "grants" ecosystem disappear (well, not completely anyway). I'm not underestimating how much those folks are doing. It wouldn’t be easy, but Nostr folks would find a way. DHT is great. IPFS has its problems, and I still want to experiment with it anyway. Pubky has some great ideas, and I hope they succeed. Built on mainline or not, its architecture isn’t trivial. Neither is Nostr (although WebSockets + signed JSON events is pretty hackable tech). I think we need to put things in perspective. Right now, the whole decentralised social media movement (including protocols like AT and ActivityPub, which dwarf Nostr in terms of users) is barely a blip on most people’s radar. More than that, most people don’t see value in anything we’re doing. So, if I can convince anyone to give any decentralised social media tech a fair shot, tegardless of its strengths or shortcomings, I'm happy about it. We can all have our geeky opinions about what works and what doesn’t, but if you ask me (with the exception of sending folks to Bluesky, where they’ll keep being a product), the priority now is to onboard new users… anywhere, really. Seriously, there are some folks here on Nostr that I honestly can’t stand (not you by the way). They keep bitching about software I mantain on for free, are extremely toxic towards Nostr devs and are mostly working on grandiose stuff that barely anyone uses. You know what I do about it? I keep building up their stuff to others and even donate money to them whenever I can 🤣. We can all agree to disagree on a lot of things and still help each other build free/decentralised social media.

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