Bitcoin still lives up to the privacy guarantees outlined in the white paper. There is no such thing as perfect privacy and there never will be. Each of the layers you mentioned has different tradeoffs and can be used in combination to achieve pretty good privacy. For most people (99%) lightning is good enough.
I mean seriously - the whole world operates based on bank accounts where your full balance, transaction history, name, address, birthday, and social security number is known by your custodian. The biggest problem with that is that you have a custodian in the first place, but all of those other privacy issues are already greatly improved with Bitcoin.
The biggest risk most Bitcoiners face is spending from big UTXOs to people you know IRL who might come for your stack. A small custodial lightning wallet or a single lightning channel eliminates that risk. I can't think of a single transaction that I make where I'd benefit from having Moneros privacy model over Bitcoins economic model.
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Bitcoin does live up to the privacy outlined in the white paper but because of KYC and chainalysis privacy becomes hindered.
I’m not trying to convince anyone to use Monero over bitcoin I just see it as a tool. It is easy and cheap to do atomic swaps in and out of Monero. I have also used liquid and lightning and have used whirlpool in the past before it got shut down. Mixing is slow and expensive, Liquid is a federated side chain.
Privacy is a spectrum and people will do what they see fit based on their own preferences and perceived risk.
Exactly. I wouldn't give a shit about people who like to use monero if it wasn't for accounts constantly shilling it and saying I'm not a real Bitcoiner because I "don't care about privacy".
They attack Bitcoin and then get confused and offended when I tell them they are shitcoiners and should HFSP. Any honest person values NGU, the monero cope is crazy.
If they really wanted privacy they would be building it on top of money the world is actually going to use, like the ECash guys are trying to do. Having to use a shitcoin with a whole different currency just to gain marginal transaction privacy is such a stupid model, doomed to fail.
See look at this clown. Clearly doesn't understand Bitcoin, unapologetic monero shill, and prefers gold. All the "I value privacy over my life" LARPing is just cope from missing out on Bitcoin is disguise.
I will be happy to agree with you but I can't, Bitcoiners want NGU, we want privacy, there is absolutely no link between that, they don't care about freedom, they are ready to comply but we fight for privacy and don't give a fuck about regulations, where is the same root ? I'm criticizing the fact they are blinded by NGU and refuse to see the danger of transparency, they will suffer because of that like we are suffering because of privacy, I wish the best for Bitcoiners, that's why I talk about that, maybe some will understand the message, and concerning the increase of purchasing power, don't be fooled, Bitcoin is not a magical money, it's a speculative asset without any real value, it's a bubble, there is no guarantee it will go up forever, be careful, Gold is stronger in case of turbulence.
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