lol, feels that way often, but that's the purpose of astroturf... to demoralize and manufacture consensus scammers spare no expense to appear strong when they are weak

Lightning is bitcoin, Liquid is the closest shitcoin there is to bitcoin. Liquid is useful as a bitcoin-denominated protyping layer mainly because of the hybrid federated custody model. CashU and Fedi ecash protocols are really variants on custodial lightning wallets, only the centralized aspect of it does not have accounts. CashU is more like WoS, where Fedi is more like Phoenix. Eventually we will have a noncustodial ecash token that is directly redeemable for bitcoin on L1, but for now, there are tradeoffs.