need this as a debate asap

Nostr isn't built on Lightning, nor does it require Lightning. Debate over.

Nostr is an Information Layer 1, using a Capital Layer 2 (Lightning Network) as a payment system for zaps.

Bitcoin’s L3 is a messaging layer for L2s. The L3 should be open, permissionless and decentralized. Nostr is a Bitcoin L3. Let me know where to ship the tombstone 😜

Nostr isn't built in Bitcoin or Lightning and doesn't need Bitcoin or Lightning. It doesn't have to utilize them at all! Keep the tombstone for yourself.

I'd you insist 😂

*If Nostr CEO should prioritize Note Edit on Bitcoin's Layer 3

I use nostr to send Bitcoin therefore nostr is L1.

Not saying I agree but by this same logic - Wavlake would also be L3... and SatsCrap... and

I know I’m shit, but if it’s in art, does it make it true? Or does it make the art full of crap? While nostr doesn’t “need” bitcoin, it thrives on the same ethos. If you’re a bitcoiner, chances are you’re a nostr-er. I don’t think the reverse works as new nostr-people are looking for freedom from (social media) censorship. View quoted note →

These are fiat points and I preach and speak that Bitcoin and Nostr have beautiful symbiotic relationshis. It's one of the key points of my talks that I give at conferences. I also state that they don't need one another, but when they do work together, they're unstoppable, because we can't truly transact until we can truly communicate. That said, for Nostr to be consider a layer, it has to be built upon a previous layer. That's how layers work. Nostr is not built in Lightning. It's a separate tool.