used some of the info to compose a letter rebutting an 'employer' (self-employed at time) demanding TIN and was succesful but that was just with him and not in a "legal" setting ... still in learning stage here. and thats after a coupla years wading through all of the shit... things ARE gelling though... its a lot of work, mostly based on Faith dude... if one doesnt have that, they arent going to make it because most people are faithless scientistic-minded moderns bound and dedicated to the herd and the reward/punishment system of social acceptance... political salvation, like spiritual salvation, is, for most, an entirely personal process. The gate is narrow. SEDM, FAMGUARDIAN, Dave Champion, Jerry Day, Glen Alan Brown, David Myrland are some places to begin absorbing and refining into an articulable whole... And SEDM's "Who's Who..." pdf is an invaluable resource for noobs, helping you get an understanding of the many personalities and their focus and whether, in opinion of authors, whether they are on the right track, partially on the right track, barking up the wrong tree, etc etc... with all that you are set to go.