You want to run a node. We all do. Will we still be able to in the future? How do we ensure that? That's the debate. I don't know if it's diverged into something else.

Just leave your node untouched. You don’t have to update your core implementation because we don’t have a major bug or something like that. I really don’t get all this. If you are fine with the version you are currently running then don’t change anything and you are fine.

But what if they tomorrow come up with some "security issue" or whatever that would force you to update. Then it's running on a version with the damage done in worst case.

Then you can fork the old version and fix this one. No problem at all. Good thing that everything is open source.

I don't think Core will remove the filter or increase the default. If they do, then we can talk about another fork of Core. I'm not running knots.

There are no sides. You're being scammed.

The actual TL;DR of the debate as I see it daily: - spam is bad - filters do keep your memoool clear of spam - they do NOT keep the blocks clear of spam - spam is bad - filters are high maintenance, and core a) doesn't have the resources to fight VC powered attacks, and b) doesn't want nodes to rely on them as a centralized filter update point - spam is bad - using OP_RETURN for some smaller size payloads can help limit UTXO growth - spam is bad - shutting down GitHub comments was an action against spam on GitHub. The discussion is supposed to happen on other channels, and that is widely known. - reopening the comments to allow one ACK was rightfully seen as a braindead provocation - spam is bad - tragedy of the commons problems like spam can only be prevented by fees or force. Fees are in place, force is impossible b/c digital and pseudonymous That's all I can think of. Oh, and: spam is bad

I'm not being scammed, I just realized depending who you listen to, the story is very different. And people I respect and would say "trust" also tell me different things. For now Im chilling. But I would be chilling more if this would be settled somehow.

Just use your own brain.

No. I don't have the time nor energy to get into the nuances of the debate. All I see is shady behavior around the topic (independent of the topic itself). Can you tell me like I have 80iq why all of this changes to opreturn stuff is happening now and what's the purpose? In whos interest is this and why is it good for Bitcoin? I'm being open minded but I'm also suspicious of changes and their consequences.

See, this is where I stand right now. And I'm not saying I'm educated enough on the matter to have a hard unchangeable opinion. So why is this meme wrong and why do we need a change?

It's been discussed so many times at this point. Technically, this is a huge nothingburger. The PR, if merged, is going to have literally next to no effect on anything. Non-technically it's a huge LARP of influencers versus engineers. Influencers rallying up confused users like you (none of them understand how code works and they'll say this is discrimination). Engineers trying to explain why this is all so extremely retarded. It's not even worth to pick a side. The damage on Core's credibility (which is valuable and worth protecting) is the real danger.

Ok, but why change in the first place? If it's no big deal, why all the drama? For what?

You literally creating the drama right now, so maybe you should answer that question: why?

I'm trying to understand. The feeds are full with this stuff every day these days and they are biased af from both directions. Maybe that's just how I realize it. If I'm creating drama by asking simple questions, okay I will stop. But then I still don't know why I should support any change to a technical nothingburger. Nevermind. It doesn't matter.

I'd suggest you zoom out, look at your nym, and stick to it, "don't believe the hype". The hype is around a technical misunderstanding of the expression "filters work". Filters DO work keeping spam off YOUR OWN node. They DO NOT work in keeping spam off the chain. The proposed change improves the overall network, while taking some choice away from node runners. Core's task isn't to give maximum freedom to node runners (they have maximum freedom anyway, because open source). Their task is to keep the network in the best possible condition. Given that spam prevention only works for nodes, but never for the network, their decision is technically 100% sound.

don't stop asking questions id be suss anyone that tells you to stop asking questions, you're allowed to ask questions, they don't have to answer if they don't want there's lots of info around from lots angles so asking questions can help clarify points , or develop deeper understanding you do you and good luck ✌

Drama for drama’s sake. They’re doing it because it’s confusing and there are people who will follow ideological arguments without understanding what is actually happening…like sheep. Lots of people want to see bitcoin fail, sowing dissent in the community is one way to increase the odds of that happening

Ah. A subtle variation on the old " If you don't agree with me, you're dumb." Argument.

You can just disagree with core devs.