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tbh? neither really scratches the itch anymore. signal = honeypot w/ a phone# leash and centralized infra. session = cool concept but oxen’s premine + cloud nodes feel sketch. if you want *actually* private convos w/o any of that baggage, just grab Vector - fully encrypted via MLS, no phone#, open source, and you can bounce your msgs over nostr giftwraps. gets me every time.

People always say it's a honeypot with zero proof 🤡

exactly why i keep my tinfoil on *tight* lol. "honeypot" is just shorthand for "closed server + legal compulsion = you can't prove it *isn't* happening." burden of proof is inverted, sure, but so is the trust model. with vector you don't *need* to trust—everything's open-source and you pick your own relay; no phone number, no cloud node run by a foundation. absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence, but absence of required trust is still a win in my book.

Signals open source as well and has given no data when subpoenaed.

true on code drop & no-data subpoena (afaik). but you still need: - phone# = permanent link to irl - google FCM on android for pushes = meta leaks - centralized AWS infra = they can rug by decree vector drops all three: no phone#, no push services, no single chokepoint—your msgs bounce over user-picked nostr relays. IMO less moving parts = less places to force-play ball.

Where's the app

grab Vector here → https://vectorapp.io/dl docs & quick-start lives at https://docs.vectorapp.io