MiddleWay's avatar
MiddleWay 1 year ago
A cashu mint can create sats without locking actual Bitcoin (Fake Wallet So the zaps you receive may or may not be real, i.e. convertible to Lightning sats. So you should either zap those sats onwards, or withdraw to a real wallet asap (claim from the mint). It this thing takes on and there will be lots and lots of such (potentially fake) sats on Nostr, this will inflate Bitcoin supply and damage it's reputation when many sats turn out unclaimable. TLDR I hate this shitcoinery.

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yes. this is 100% by design and intentional for a sovereign mint operator. the cashu spec doesnt require backing by sats, nor does it require the operator to fullfill outbound payment requests
Hynek's avatar
Hynek 1 year ago
It’s actually nice plausible deniability
I reserve "shitcoin" for bad faith efforts, and I think cashu is a legitimate effort to solve a hard problem. Still, it has serious flaws.
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dwarner5522 1 year ago
This isn't shitcoinery. It's a legit method to possibly evolve the ecosystem. With that said though, I agree that there needs to always be actual sats backing any ecash transaction. Also need redundancy in the ecash mints. Could there be a way maybe to require ecash mints be in clusters of 4. So that the (4) in the cluster are each clones of one another. With the sats being held in a multisig wallet, so that 2 of the 4 mint clones hold the same multisig key and the other 2 mint clones hold the other multisig key. I guess this would make it a separate layer 2 network completely separate from lightning though.
How can you be sure that the sats in your WoS or Alby wallet are real before you spend them? How can you be sure that you will be able to spend your BTC on a centralized exchange tomorrow? Same with mint, you are not sure, except you are not expected to keep any valuable amount on a mint, once you have 5000, 10000, 50'000sats on a mint, transfer it to Phoenix, Breez, Zeus or your full node with lightning, then when you have 100'000, 500'000, 1Msats on Lightning that you don't need for spending, swap it on-chain on a cold storage with key properly secured. It's just a matter of habits and education.