Hmm you might be on to something. Perhaps, the alpha hunters where mad that they weren't needed anymore and started throwing tantrums and fighting people lol. "Who's gonna keep you safe from the other version of me in the next farm over huh?" Type shit lol

What if this is a competition between different human types? 🤔

I can see that. The hunter becomes the chief lol

The mafia model was born

There are exceptions because some known non agricultural societies (plains Indians) loved and relished killing their rivals. But it feels like there is a subconscious want to war and commit violence by humans in general. And I think at least some of it stems from our apex predator origins. If the innate bloodlust was satiated less because the need to hunt was greatly reduced (via calories coming from agriculture), I could see that creating more of subconscious want to kill otherwise.

Interesting take. We needed to find ways to get along to survive in the tribe so violence toward each other was deadly. As a farmer, I don’t need to rely on many others. In fact, too many others becomes problematic as theft becomes more of a problem. The issue is that we were sort of forced into farming as a lot of the animals we hunted went extinct. Idk if the absence of hunting is the cause though. It could just simply be that our ancestors had no reason to hoard the meat from a hunt because it’ll go bad and you had no way to preserve the food.

Do you feel like killing humans? I know the idea that we like to kill our own was drummed toward us in television from the 60's through the 80's, but the evidence doesn't back that up.

is this a trick question? Asking for a friend...

You are absolutely right. Even comparing North American natives to their South American counterparts. They both were ruthless killers and conquerors... Maybe it's just our DNA encoded with the avarice gene which make us always want more and sometimes it means taking it by deadly force

I love combat. It doesn’t mean I want to kill but I absolutely love to battle. I feel clarity and purity there. Many young men have a drive toward combat and war. It seems innate.

When you have a population density of 0.1 humans per square km, most of the critters you meet that you could kill and take resources from are non-human animals. There're few temptations to prey on your fellow humans. When you have a population density of 500 humans per square km, and the only medium/large animals you see are human or owned by humans...

True. Its a way of gaining social status, even if all the easier and more constructive ways have been choked off.

I don’t know if it’s true but I’ve just noticed how boys and young men seem to have an innate drive toward weapons and war. My mom wouldn’t let me or my brother have any toys that were guns growing up and we made guns out of everything else. There is something in humans that wants to battle. If me and my brother grew up hunting with spears and arrows and running around in the woods with our tribe of skilled killers I feel like it would’ve satiated something primal in us and the drive toward weaponry wouldn’t have been like it was as it was already being satisfied naturally and out of necessity. Just spitballing

Very true. Rites of passage are hard to come by and I think that’s a huge problem. Young men need to prove themselves. The military exploits that need.

inbuilt drive to kill? tf you talking about? if you have a drive to kill then seeknsome professional help, urgently. I hunt, plus raise and slaughter my own animals for food. therr is no pleasure to be had killing an animal, and if youbfind yourself enjoying it then there's something very wrong with you

All about power and control of the group. I would expect more human on human violence in pre-ag.

American society has blurred, and later removed, the line between child and adult. In nearly every culture, there is a rite of passage. From that point forward, the qualified human is treated as an adult. Prior to that time, they witness their peers taking on adulthood, and exhibiting the responsibilities of being fully human. For people in the US (and maybe other regions of "Western Culture"), between the ages of 12 and 26, people are treated like a child while being expected to act like an adult. There are a whole host of problems this creates. One example I saw a few years ago, was a parent referring to their offspring (who was in the news for a violent act) as a child. The man was in his early 30's. We know from various studies and experiments that humans tend to act in the way they are treated. If an entity (group or individual) treats someone as incompetent, that person will tend toward greater incompetency. If you treat your child as a responsible human, they will gravitate toward greater responsibility. This follows along with why Rockefeller encouraged the current public education system. Students are put in a tyrannical dictatorship, instead of being taught how to think and act for themselves responsibly.

I can see that. We are animals after all and I’ve always enjoyed overpowering others in sports. Sports are like simulated wars in a way

What was first? The fear or the monster?

We should ask Trump and Bibi about it 🤭

Exactly