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Pretty sure at least two were solved by direct government action. Definitely at least the ozone layer problem, I think but am not 100% sure the acid rain was solved largely by regulation. So the ozone, at least, is a great example of how government action can actually be wildly successful at combatting a climate crisis.
2025-04-24 08:41:41 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 2 replies ↓ Reply
Shit, and the last one was the oil, which was probably a true statement based on the reserves known at the time. So what happened? It fucking spurred investment and research into finding more oil reserves. Jesus fuck, these are ALL addressable or already addressed problems.
2025-04-24 08:44:27 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Oh, and I forgot, the freezing thing was always bullshit that climate scientists didn't actually believe. Someone said it, nobody agreed with them, and the media latched the fuck on anyway. Because it's propaganda for oil companies, and you bought it.
2025-04-24 09:02:08 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
The idea that governments can solve anything is naive to say the least. Besides, you seem to miss the point of the meme, which is to imply the simple truth that none of those "problems" were, in fact, real. They cannot be, as by propaganda rulebook... A "climate crisis" cannot be combatted by mankind in any meaningful way. Climate just happens and we adapt to it. To think otherwise is top-notch hubris.
2025-04-24 09:59:35 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I got the point of the meme, but my point is that literally everything it's saying is somehow wrong. The oil problem was real and required research and technological advancement. The ice age was one or a few at most crackpots that the scientific community didn't take serious but got spread as corporate propaganda to muddy the waters, and people still think it was a real idea 50 years later. Acid rain stopped because of air pollution regulations that governments enacted and enforced, and it probably would have devastated at least some ecosystems if allowed to continue. The ozone later was getting absolutely thrashed by CFCs and other chemicals, and they only stopped being used because of the Montreal Protocol, where many nations agreed to ban their use. The last two are just straw men of the most extreme projections, regardless of how seriously they're taken, so about as respectable as the ice age bullshit. You're trying to say government can't solve problems while actually providing two examples of how government can solve real world problems. They're even two examples of things that very well could have becomes full on climate crises. Your evidence argues against your own point at every turn. Not only are we fully capable of combatting climate crises as your own examples have shown, we're also fully capable of creating them. The earth is finite in size. We take substances that were removed from the atmosphere for millions of years and pour inconceivable amounts of it into the atmosphere while simultaneously cutting down huge swathes of forest that could have helped remove some of it again. We can calculate how much of these gases the human race produces, compare it to the volume of the atmosphere, calculate its impact on concentrations, and measure to confirm those calculations. We can predict, measure, and verify our impact on the environment.
2025-04-24 11:58:15 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I'm saying government solved problems that DID exist. Acid rain and ozone layer damage were real problems. And they got solved by government action. Business would have kept perpetuating and exacerbating the problems if not for new regulatory oversight.
2025-04-24 19:32:21 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply