Very interesting topic. My first question would be if you’re using the terms “ethics” and “morality” interchangeably? I understand you’re referring to the societal ethos and not to the inner set of values and principles of each individual node, is that correct?

Moral values distribution map across the universe:

Does that mean that you drop your support for the shitfork? As it's not moral nor ethical to be a scammer who pushes others onto the fork but refuses to swap sats to get more on its side, hence himself deeming it less valuable View quoted note →

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Almost interchangeably. Ethics is the branch of philosophy that deals with morality (the question of what is good and bad). It could also be called "The Network Theory of Morality: How Moral Values Emerge in Physical Systems".

Very cool!! I'm nobody but have you checked that throught the lens of the hermetic principles?.. for me emergence and the principle of correspondance are related. IDK if it will serve you but I've been working on a structural diagnosis tool. IMO information has some specific qualities that can be measured and explain why some are shared and stored and mantaimed by individuals (like memes right?) info has : signal, medium, potential and phase). Also I(B) is defined ⟺ α × P(detect) > 1 Information about any variable element B only exists when a constant reference A is genuinely holding still. A is genuinely constant only when falsifying it is both expensive (α) and reliably detectable (P(detect)). If either fails, A is only nominally constant — it looks fixed but is drifting. "A thing only tells you the truth when lying about it costs more than telling the truth." 🙏🧡

Thanks! This differentiation was indeed the core of my question, because in traditional philosophical ethics (especially the virtue and contractarianist branches), it’s usual to separate ethics from morals in terms of collective vs individual realms and that can influence the interpretation of your thesis, imo. I’ll think about it and maybe come back to the thread later on - my points will probably be more philosophical though. Miłego dnia!

Loving being shunned as a shitforker is not a sign of being moral, but rather of being masochistic

Slight critique that may or may-not apply depending on what exactly you mean by "Morality can be derived from physics." Ethics occurs in computers. It's obvious that rocks for example can't think about ethics, or anything else. Only computers [like our brain for example] can think about or have ethics. When a computer becomes Turing-complete, it means that it can now calculate ANY calculation that is allowed in our universe, given memory and speed constraints. That minimum limit of capabilities - becoming Turing-complete - is also the ceiling of capabilities. A Turing-complete computer can calculate EVERY CALCULATION allowed by the laws of physics, given memory and processor speed constraints. Why do I bring up Turing-completeness as a critique? Because what it means is that all the software in the universe, will run the same on every Turing-complete computer, whether you make a Turing-complete computer from neurons, transistors, or marbles rolling down tracks. That means that the physical properties of the computer fall away, and all you are left with are the emergent properties of what can happen inside computers. What can happen with code. If this is hard to grasp, imagine the analogy of chess. Fool's mate is the fastest known checkmate in chess. Does fool's mate change if you are playing with chess pieces made from plastic instead of metal? Obviously not. Once you have the rules of chess, it doesn't matter the physics of the board, the atoms bouncing around in the pieces, or anything else on the physics level. Thermodynamics has nothing to tell us about fools-mate. Likewise morality can not be derived from physics, anymore than the best moves in chess can be derived from physics. This point I am making does not mean that physics and morality do not interact in any way. It's not so simple. Is it moral to throw a pillow at you? Fire a bullet? These are moral questions that depend on the physics of pillows and guns. But we are talking about code here that emerges within computers, and the rules of code within computers does not necessarily have anything to do with physics. Code has it's own emergent properties: like prime numbers, beauty, morality, the number pi, etc. I was going to go on with 2 or 3, but this is quite a bit and I'll leave it there for now. Looking forward to what you come up with.

Good stuff. Reminds us of this post:

Pana - The Network State of Refuge

FWIW #Bitcoin was literally born into this world being traded on the Dark Web, guns and ammunition exchange, drugs and everything else that normal ...

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