You could use subjective reputation systems to establish routing preferences per node. You could introduce _some_ opt-in centralization at appropriate levels in geographic communities. You could introduce opt-in hierarchy in the same way ("I choose this gateway/router and I trust it wrt the peers it routes to").
None of these are perfect solutions, but I don't enjoy seeing people throw the baby out with the bathwater, because I do think we have an upcoming networking and connectivity emergency on our hands when State actors and/or megacorps decide to turn their malign attention towards Internet infrastructure and it would be great to start exploring mitigations early.
Do you have other solutions? I'd love to hear them.
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you could do all of that, my point was just that the technology doesn't exist still, that's what triggered this discussion, so now you're agreeing with me basically
I guess we're close, but I draw a distinction between "the technology doesn't exist" (it does) and "nobody is doing it yet" (agreed, they're not exactly at large scale).
When you said "mesh networking doesn't exist" you seem to have meant "doing it correctly is technically possible but there is little will or energy going in that direction". We might agree that the goal is to advance freedom technologies (like mesh but also lots of other stuff) but I oppose blasting out pessimistic "doesn't exist, (but yea I guess you could do it)" takes. Getting people aware of and optimistic about the possibilities is a good way to help make sure they actually come about.