qubes is best in class, with self-destrcting vms, the ability to connect multiple vpn locations to different qubes, an air-gapped vault eyc etc. and it comes with whonix. i don't know of any competition that comes remotely close

That was my impression too, to the point where there seems to be the only option. Somehow, it bugs me. Not because of Qubes. That project is impressive in many ways. But for the extent/craziness we need to go through. 🤔

i hear ya, but i absolutely love it. it's a no brainer for me. honestly can't imagine using anything elase at this point. aaaand it fills the need to distro hop without distro hopping 😉

Is there something you want to tell me?