Solutions to fake news on nostr? Are we going to need Community Notes or something similar?
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Are you asking if we need censorship?
Nope!
In this case it is on primal to clarify and build relation to it's users.
If primal is a good solution, it will be resiliant to things like this.
As an online environment I think we would do well to write a list of principles to point people to. Similar to the 10 principles of Burning Man perhaps. Here are some ideas, what would you add?
Verify the note (your own too)
Don't trust the note
Practice v4v
Participate (help build)
Be constructive (use your own skills)
Zap the other
Have a mindset
Accept bad notes as a a trade off
I’ve posted fake news on nostr before, reposted that I was wrong.
Own it, because if you post lots of stuff it’s likely to happen unwittingly eventually. Your reputation is yours to maintain.
That's good advice for the poster of (accidental) fake news.
I’m looking more for a solution for readers, it would have been nice if my client automatically added as a note Pablo’s post:
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with a reference to Miljan’s post
Which is basically a very simplified version of Community Notes
we dont need to follow twitter ser
solution? besides “two legs bad”
Nah. Say no to fake news, and say no censorship.
imo let users decide to trust or not, will find out sooner or later in the replys / comments, community notes on x are wrong half of the time too
What is the difference between community notes and "fact checking" nonsense?
Best solution is reputation damage to those who post false information. You can’t run and hide / delete a shitty post on Nostr.
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Ideally you would not hardcode Pablo as a trusted source for everybody, right? The "note" would have to be weighted relatively to whoever is reading.
I think NIP-32 labels are ideal for this.
Absolutely. This.
Yes in this case it essentially requires clients to provide some way to easily label something as fake, and then for other clients to read the labels, make some decision probably based on follow graph on which labels to show or not.
Maybe NIP-32 is enough, I need to look into it again, last time I checked it seemed a bit complex.
No, we can have a discussion about it just like any rational person should.
Wouldn't you have preferred to know it was fake, if it was possible, before you reacted like this? This is possible to do without censhorship
No, what I'd like is the ability to delete and edit notes, on the other hand.
I think us, the users, should use hashtags and call out #bullshit or #spam or #spammmy or #liar or #fraudster depending on what we, again, the users, think.
reputations will be made or killed based on replies.
I posted a note of similar notions earlier this week. check it out.
#smij #zapd
agreed.
#tagthespammer
#smij #zapd
#grownostr
nope. the lack of ability to delete/edit keeps the non clinical insane from considering what they note put in a note. you're permitted to reply to your own note & state a change of mind, but you don't get to unsay something. life doesn't let you unring a bell
You sound a little tense.
awww, did I step on your toes, karen?
*rolls eyes, walks away*
Critical thinking and humility must be learned. Someone doing that for you is not freedom. Freedom demands responsibility.
The correct course of action was to see if the warning appears for themselves, then potentially confront @miljan directly for an answer to get his side, and *then* to decide an opinion.
Just my two cents. Community notes is just another form of only hearing one side.
This 👆
Perhaps. I understand it can be frustrating when nobody listens when criticism is stated in reasonable terms.
On the other hand, this is my perfect opportunity to say “trending is a shitcoin,” for today.
I believe the entire concept is, personally. I don’t even look anymore, and I find it much less stressful, even though I thought I didn’t care to start with.
So I take it you disagree with what @rabble said yesterday about user expectations?
curation is great, but it should be opt in. people need to be aware that things are being screened for them otherwise it is censorship.
But letting users choose or plug in their own algorithm wouldn’t impact your experience.
Well you can’t have it both ways.
Fair enough.
NIP-32 is just adding tags to other people's events, with optional comments I think.
"Curation" by a third party is censorship. Curation can only done by oneself.
So you solve "the problem" of someone posting something that may be inaccurate, by letting other people mark their posts with tags that may also be inaccurate. Sounds like a great plan that surely will not backfire and will guarantee that minorities never get gangbanged by majorities.
Reputation system for users would be enough.
And to prevent bots to spam positive reputation, we can count only votes by peple we follow.
I am quite sure this is fake news as well, however look how well we all handled it without big brother telling us how to :)
i think there is a difference when you opt in to curation knowing what to expect. like forums back in the day, you go to a reptile forum you expect pictures of lizards but not cats. nothing against cats, but a cat forum probably wouldn't expect lizards there either... and Moderators clean up the porn spam and the occasional political post that someone on a reptile forum might not care to see either. it's opt in curation, which is self censorship. you're willing to risk missing a nice cat pic, but because you chose this particular reptile forum, you're ok with it. see how some might look at it?
Don't be stupid.
Just don't trust anything else or check it by yourself.
That's darn simple. No need the "Community Notes" or shits, cause bots could misuse it anyway (Noting Nostr protocol was easy)
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community notes on nostr could be based on people you follow votes (helpful or not)