Thread - Nostr Hypermedia

Nostr won't win by being an island paradise trying to convince others to join us doing pushups in the jungle. Nostr will win by the degree to which it can seamlessly plug into and expand the already-existing constellations of the #fediverse. Nostr will win if it offers value to you, even if you're the only person on earth who uses it. Why? Because it offers something most of that existing infrastructure can't: full data sovereignty, free speech, a platform through which to communicate ideas across multiple channels - without asking for permission to do so. Nostr will win if plugging into it immediately gives you the entire fediverse (Bluesky, Lemmy, etc.) *plus* all the insanely cool benefits that come from an open protocol driven by a relay-based architecture. It needs to leverage an existing network effect, not work against it and try to win people away from the #freedom tools they already use and enjoy, or hope they'll walk away from communities they are already part of. Am I suggesting that you, dear Nostr developer, should keep this organising principle (expand the fediverse, don't try to out-compete it) in mind when building? Yes and no. It's your time and your energy. Do what you want. But if you care deeply about expanding Nostr's reach, don't fight the network effect. Leverage it. #grownostr

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_ me@turiz.space 4 days ago

wise words.

AU9913 auggie@nakaMOtown.com 4 days ago

Why does it matter that we plug into the Fediverse when all of the stuff I see coming from any existing bridge is retarded leftist claptrap

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shortwavesurfer2009 4 days ago

I use both nostr and lemmy. I enjoy the Reddit style interface of Lemmy, much more than the Twitter style interface of Nostr. My guess is because I'm less interested in what individuals have to say and more interested in topics and the lemmy community model fits me better. On nostr you have hashtags, but they are just Twitter style posts with certain topics added to them.

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freemymind 🇨🇭 freemymind@NostrAddress.com 4 days ago

I think it is not a problem, when some users dislike content. In nostr every user is a moderator. So when you like something, follow it. When you dislike something that keeps showing up, mute it. But the point is that access to the fedi or Bluesky does in no way deminish the power of nostr. It rather lavarages it. Makes it more useful for more people.

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codearchy 4 days ago

I agree that the tweet format and the Lemmy format are somewhat incompatible. I think a bridge from like to like (eg Nostr tweets to Mastodon) is where much value is added, rather than crossing streams. (Attempts have been made, none that I’ve found that work.) And within the Nostr-verse, there should be ways to readily repurpose and syndicate the subset of tweets that I do want to appear on my blog, for example, or perhaps certain hashtags that could automatically also post to the relevant Lemmy community.

freemymind 🇨🇭 freemymind@NostrAddress.com 4 days ago

Instant follow 🥳🫵 Totally support the idea of uniting the power of opensource projects. Since whoever does not like some project is free to ignore it. But every user that likes this and that project is very happy when they are interoperatable. So only winners, when Nostr has very good integration for fedi content. 💪🤝

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AU9913 auggie@nakaMOtown.com 4 days ago

Yeah, but your argument implies we care about adding to our network nodes that disagree with the fundamental principles of nostr. Bluesky bans people for very minimal things. They also don't want our content there. Any time/work spent to integrate those protocols is better spent on pure nostr dev. Now, if you're talking about RSS consummation, that is a match made in heaven.

codearchy 4 days ago

Thank you, and thanks for the zaps! 🫡

tree 木 tree@onion.social 4 days ago

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It's interesting how the creators of the *multi-platform* social client @Openvibe disappeared from Nostr. The last activity I see from the team is in August.. I am more and more convinced that bridging and connecting different protocols in the social sphere doesn't work very well. Why? Maintenance becomes exponential - Every protocol has its own update cycles and breaking changes. You're not building one client - you're building several. When one protocol changes, everything breaks. Lowest common denominator - To work everywhere, bridges strip out what makes each protocol unique. Nostr's zaps, Mastodon's content warnings, Bluesky's feeds - all lost in translation. Users get a watered-down experience. Identity doesn't translate - Nostr keypairs, ActivityPub domains, and AT Protocol DIDs are fundamentally incompatible. Bridges create confusing mapping layers instead of real unification. Culture clash - Each protocol has its own norms and expectations. Bridges create an awkward middle ground where nobody feels at home.

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mister_monster 4 days ago

As a long time fedizen, hard disagree. The fediverse is a dumpster fire. It is an ongoing flame war between degenerate admins and their acolytes. There is very little value there. Nostr will win because it's unstoppable. It doesn't need to fold into anything. In fact, its so decentralized that it doesn't even need to win! There's no competition because it has no peers. That's why it will win.

mister_monster 4 days ago

It doesn't leverage anything. mostr.pub integrates already, it changes nothing for nostr. The great thing about a truly free protocol like nostr is that anyone can build anything, nobody needs permission, and nobody even needs to care. That makes nostr more powerful, but specific implementations of integrations do not.