using kimi k2.5, clearly not as smart as codex but very capable as an autonomous agent, browsing the web etc. if you want more speed and don't bother too much about inntelligence, then minimax is amazing too, and they offer a fast API too (200 tok/s)

Thanks, not looking for a fast solution rather for cheap one) will try kimi. Btw cannot zap you for some reason, or is it an issue on my side?

can you try again ? 😅

Ahah wondering the same after using it for a few days and burning credit. I use @PayPerQ with the autoclaw model which switch over automatically between MiniMax, Kimi, Sonnet and Opus depending on the complexity if your request. I still burn 2-3 USD per day without doing much and the auto model mostly use Kimi already so I'm wondering if I can go even lower.

Interesting, do you feel if it gets dumber/ smarter after model switching?

I don't have enough feedback and experience but for what I use it's mostly fine so far. The only time I had feeling of it getting dumb is when I switch the comme channel and it started as a new session, acting like nothing happened before and you have to insit for it to check memory and find what was established in the previous session. I guess it's kind of feature but I would prefer to have complete memory sync unless you specifically start a blank session on purpose. But it has nothing to do with model.

So I tried it and it spends like 1USD per 30 min. Seems I’m asking too much)

We have eco mode, unsure if it would fit your use case.

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That's exactly what i'm using now=))

Dang, that sucks. But it doesn't really make sense? You're saying you're burning $10 in 24 hours with expensive Codex, but you're burning $1 in only 30 minutes using our vastly cheaper models?

yes, doesn't make sense for me... I topped up my ppq account exactly 1 hour ago and I spent 2.5 USD already. Does conenext window settings in json have anything to do with billing? Cause by default open claw set 4000 which was too low and i increased it to 16000

I use autoclaw default and from log it's 99% using kimi, however it's also burning credit like crazy, just to ask my bot to use your API to alert me when I'm below 2 USD credit and generate a lighting invoice of 5 USD it took another 40-50cents form less than 10 resquests. Am I doing something wrong ?

Actually it's kinda strange cause it seems API charges different amounts for approx same amount of tokens of the same model, see below:

Looks like this autoclaw model is a money blackhole =)

We have a lot of super positive reviews on Autoclaw, so I don't really understand why it's so expensive for your particular use case. I think your bot must be literally checking the balance after every single query, and that may be consuming many more tokens than necessary. Openclaw in general is a giant money hole, which is why we created Autoclaw. It does vastly reduce costs, but you have to be mindful of how it's being used. Each of you has different use cases, so it's hard for me to answer exactly what's going on in both situations. Eluc, I would recommend you look into our Nostr Wallet Connect integration. If you do that, you don't have to check balance ever. We will simply pull payments when you run low on our side.

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I'm using openclaw on my own vps, but i feel like some of my earlier prompts may have generated the unnesessary tasks that bot is doing every heartbeat, maybe it makes sense to start from scratch now=)

No, running openclaw on my own Vps

I guess I don't understand how Openclaw and agent are working. I thought if I asked to do a program that check an API every hours, then the program run without agent to ask anything to the model, so. But I guess it's not the case. I know for NWC but I don't like the idea that it draw sats without my approval, so if something strange is happening like 5 bucks got killed in minutes, I can stop and figure out. But I guess with proper limits it might be acceptable once I trust the tool to not go crazy. Then I cannot imagine when I will deploy all thr automation I planned for, checking message, emails, calendars and a lot more. I would better ask it to program n8n to run outside the agent or something.

I guess I have the same kind of issue, the bot burning token, asking the model for everything while it should be one line automation running on the system without any agent intervention.

Ok I think this is a openclaw default cron job config problem. It spawns a subagent by default. See if you can turn that of and call the program directly. Or use system level cron or systemd service instead.

Except I'm not dev and I have no ides what is the proper way to do a task so I can only trust the agent or learn myself from scratch.

I feel you, it's a steep learning curve.