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Niel Liesmons 4 months ago
I believe in Jesus and God. I don't believe in: - Hell: no such thing in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, always is ether grave or valley of Hinnom - Satan: again an invented character/concept created by mis-translating "ha satan" and "diabolos" (enemy or slanderer, almost always human) - Going to Heaven: no such promise, the resurrection in Kingdom is the promise - Religion: first commandments tell you to not create false gods like that. The Bible is a book of Law, religions brake several of the most importanjtlaws by definition. - Rapture 2000 years later: when the New testament is all about how imminent Jesus' return is in **that** generation. But the Catholicism deception goes way deeper and darker than that. It's that aspect of occult ritual abuse and the popes being played by actors that played different roles before, etc... that I am replying to @The Beave about. You assumed I was talking about something I wasn't.

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- Jesus was clearly using it as a metaphor for something eternal and spiritual (check out Matthew 10:28 or Mark 9:43-48). The early Church Fathers who could actually read Greek all agreed hell was real. Like, John Chrysostom was a native Greek speaker and he wrote tons about hell being an actual thing. - In Job, "the satan" shows up as an actual being in God's court, not just some abstract concept. Jesus himself talks about watching Satan fall (Luke 10:18) and calls him "a murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44). Sure, "satan" means "adversary," but the Orthodox Church has always understood there's a big difference between human enemies and THE spiritual enemy. Even super early Christians like Ignatius of Antioch were warning people about the devil. - That's mostly true, but the Bible does say the soul goes straight to be with Christ after death (2 Corinthians 5:8 makes this pretty clear). - God set up extremely detailed religious practices in the Old Testament (just read Leviticus or Deuteronomy), Jesus founded the Church (Matthew 16:18), gave it real authority (Matthew 18:18), and specifically told people to worship together and do sacraments (Luke 22:19, Matthew 28:19). The apostles immediately started organizing communities with bishops, priests, and deacons (see 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1:5-7). - 2 Peter 3:8-9 - i agree about the pope