Moving the goalposts was the fallacy! You changed the subject to be about libertarians being political losers and that government has existed before when I was talking about the illegitimate nature of government. Try to stay on topic.

Ross went to prison for what 14 years? Who put him in prison? Who controls the prison? Who put the samourai team in prison? The root of the problem is the government. Ross is free now but why isn’t the samourai team free yet? And again why didn’t trump pardon him before? Political bribery isn’t a good thing 😂