The other thing here is that this is conflating the UK and Europe. "Did you notice that Starmer was purposely vague about how many British troops are in Ukraine?" Ukraine seems, above all, to be the same 500 year war between the UK and Russia that's been going on since the UK found out Russia exists. That anyone else has been dragged into it, be it Poles, Germans, Americans, or really anyone else, lies on our not being suspicious enough of our so called "ally." The shelling for years, the CIA/MI-6 backed coup...this was a war Russia got dragged into, and the sooner it can come to an end, the sooner resources from all of the UK's proxy states can go back to being used to serve their own people. The war's awful for the people of Ukraine, yes (and Russia). Which is why it was wrong for them to be dragged into it by western interests. The idea that Putin should submit to shelling on his border for years and simply allow it to go on is nothing anyone would expect of any other nation, and indeed, the retaliation to it in kind is precisely what we're hearing about why Poland, Germany, and others have justification for their involvement. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Ukraine may not be Russia, but it's also not the UK.