Watching on Youtube "helps".... the algorithm? ;)
Really enjoyed the conversation. In particular, the historical observation that opposition to the printing press, aside from the "usual suspects" of the Church losing its monopoly on information transmission, came from the idea that the printed word disrupted more "organic" forms of social information transmission. As in, people you trusted at the market, family members etc who said that there was a plague two villages over... Vs. "some pamphlet" written by some author you've never met.
Today, this is being inverted, at least by the Right. "Trust the science", consisting of data written down and transmitted by far-off authority sources, is replaced by "trust your neighbor" or "trust your influencer".... I.e. the social graph vs more hierarchical authority sources.